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<blockquote data-quote="swampratt" data-source="post: 3258181" data-attributes="member: 15054"><p>I must of not seen a video I read a little bit and there are many ways to get to the final product that is fact.</p><p></p><p>But the basics are very easy and I have done the basics at the range while doing a brass fail test in .308.</p><p>I wanted to see how many times I could reload a single case before it failed.</p><p>I took a Winchester, Lapua, Remington and a Federal case a pound of Varget some CCI 200 primers and the bullet was Sierra Game king HPBT a very forgiving bullet that had a lot of bearing surface length.</p><p></p><p>1 time fired brass got wiped down and neck brushed with a .308 bore brush to remove any carbon chunks.</p><p>Then lubed with imperial sizing die wax with my fingers and a swab of the inside of the neck with a Q tip that had a tiny amount of the sizing die wax on it.</p><p></p><p>Next step.</p><p>FLS Which stands for Full Length Size.</p><p>I did that with my Lee press and Lee die.</p><p>Then remove case and wipe clean with clean rag or paper towel. Swab inside of neck clean with Q tip.</p><p>When FLS brass is sent through the lee die it removes the primer at the same time.</p><p></p><p>Now seat a primer.</p><p>Then place case in loading block to hold steady and place funnel over case mouth and fill with powder.</p><p></p><p>I used a Scooper that measured 41.5-42 gr of varget.</p><p></p><p>After powder is in case then place case back into press and place bullet on top of case mouth.</p><p>Raise case into bullet seater die and the remove.</p><p></p><p>Ready to fire.</p><p></p><p>Now I will say you need to set up the dies properly and when I said there are many ways to get to the final product that is now explained below.</p><p></p><p>You can measure each bullet from base to Ogive and sort them and seat them accordingly.</p><p>You can chamfer the case mouth with a VLD or other chamfer .</p><p>You can trim the case length to a certain measurement and remove the burs with a tool.</p><p>You can also polish the case mouth you just trimmed with 0000 steel wool in a socket.</p><p>You can anneal the cases.</p><p>You can turn necks ID and OD</p><p>You can uniform primer pockets and deburr primer pockets.</p><p>You can sort your resized cases by weight and by volume.</p><p>You can sort cases by shoulder ogive ..Yea just because you resized in the same die do not assume each case will come out to the exact .001 from base of shoulder ogive.</p><p>You can even sort cases by how well they group when shooting and this is usually after all other prepping has been done.</p><p>This is where metallurgy plays a part.</p><p></p><p>You can clean cases 20 different ways.</p><p>There are many different case lubes different primers and powders and bullets.</p><p></p><p>Then you can also tweak your dies or have custom dies made that minimally size your cases as to not overwork them.</p><p>Or you can choose to neck size the cases.</p><p></p><p>I did an experiment on neck sizing with .308.</p><p>Many say you can neck size 5 times then you must FLS the case .</p><p></p><p>WHY! because it gets hard to chamber.</p><p>Talking bolt action here.</p><p>What I found measuring the case (.308) after neck sizing is the neck grew .0005" longer after each firing and neck sizing and the case body grew a tick fatter until firing number 5 and then the case fit pretty snug in the chamber and the case grew .0005" after every 2 firings.</p><p></p><p>Now I shot that case 20 or 22 times then misplaced it. I never FLS that case and it never got any harder to chamber than it was at the 5th firing and loading.</p><p></p><p>So when you begin reloading or Handloading your ammo and get confident and good at it you can do some tests for yourself</p><p>and put some fallacies to rest.</p><p>Did the neck sized case shoot more accurate than the FLS case? NO not in my guns.</p><p>Wish it did.</p><p>My dies minimally size my cases no more than .002" resized anywhere on my .308 case.</p><p>I have seen some dies size/reduce a case as much as .008" Over working the case in my book.</p><p>Unless it is an auto-loader and then you may need to resize it that much.</p><p></p><p>It is not rocket science once you grasp the basics. You can spend a lot on tools and goodies though.</p><p></p><p>MY first loadings were 30-30 and with a Lee Wack-A-Mole loader.</p><p>Called Lee classic loader. It is a neck sizer so if you have cases fired from your gun going back into your gun it works well.</p><p></p><p>I made ammo that shot 3/4" at 100 yards with it . Then got one for .308 and then 30-06.</p><p>I later got a real press and it was also a Lee Classic Cast press made in USA. New for 85 bucks.</p><p>Here is what I started with and some powder, primers and bullets.</p><p>OH and a small hammer.</p><p><a href="https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/1012833230?pid=543039&utm_medium=shopping&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Reloading%20-%20Metallic%20Reloading%20Equipment%20(Not%20Presses)&utm_content=543039&cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Reloading%20-%20Metallic%20Reloading%20Equipment%20(Not%20Presses)-_-Lee-_-543039&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiJf6gL3s4wIVkf_jBx1ahQT1EAQYASABEgKEMvD_BwE" target="_blank">https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/1012833230?pid=543039&utm_medium=shopping&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Reloading - Metallic Reloading Equipment (Not Presses)&utm_content=543039&cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Reloading - Metallic Reloading Equipment (Not Presses)-_-Lee-_-543039&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiJf6gL3s4wIVkf_jBx1ahQT1EAQYASABEgKEMvD_BwE</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="swampratt, post: 3258181, member: 15054"] I must of not seen a video I read a little bit and there are many ways to get to the final product that is fact. But the basics are very easy and I have done the basics at the range while doing a brass fail test in .308. I wanted to see how many times I could reload a single case before it failed. I took a Winchester, Lapua, Remington and a Federal case a pound of Varget some CCI 200 primers and the bullet was Sierra Game king HPBT a very forgiving bullet that had a lot of bearing surface length. 1 time fired brass got wiped down and neck brushed with a .308 bore brush to remove any carbon chunks. Then lubed with imperial sizing die wax with my fingers and a swab of the inside of the neck with a Q tip that had a tiny amount of the sizing die wax on it. Next step. FLS Which stands for Full Length Size. I did that with my Lee press and Lee die. Then remove case and wipe clean with clean rag or paper towel. Swab inside of neck clean with Q tip. When FLS brass is sent through the lee die it removes the primer at the same time. Now seat a primer. Then place case in loading block to hold steady and place funnel over case mouth and fill with powder. I used a Scooper that measured 41.5-42 gr of varget. After powder is in case then place case back into press and place bullet on top of case mouth. Raise case into bullet seater die and the remove. Ready to fire. Now I will say you need to set up the dies properly and when I said there are many ways to get to the final product that is now explained below. You can measure each bullet from base to Ogive and sort them and seat them accordingly. You can chamfer the case mouth with a VLD or other chamfer . You can trim the case length to a certain measurement and remove the burs with a tool. You can also polish the case mouth you just trimmed with 0000 steel wool in a socket. You can anneal the cases. You can turn necks ID and OD You can uniform primer pockets and deburr primer pockets. You can sort your resized cases by weight and by volume. You can sort cases by shoulder ogive ..Yea just because you resized in the same die do not assume each case will come out to the exact .001 from base of shoulder ogive. You can even sort cases by how well they group when shooting and this is usually after all other prepping has been done. This is where metallurgy plays a part. You can clean cases 20 different ways. There are many different case lubes different primers and powders and bullets. Then you can also tweak your dies or have custom dies made that minimally size your cases as to not overwork them. Or you can choose to neck size the cases. I did an experiment on neck sizing with .308. Many say you can neck size 5 times then you must FLS the case . WHY! because it gets hard to chamber. Talking bolt action here. What I found measuring the case (.308) after neck sizing is the neck grew .0005" longer after each firing and neck sizing and the case body grew a tick fatter until firing number 5 and then the case fit pretty snug in the chamber and the case grew .0005" after every 2 firings. Now I shot that case 20 or 22 times then misplaced it. I never FLS that case and it never got any harder to chamber than it was at the 5th firing and loading. So when you begin reloading or Handloading your ammo and get confident and good at it you can do some tests for yourself and put some fallacies to rest. Did the neck sized case shoot more accurate than the FLS case? NO not in my guns. Wish it did. My dies minimally size my cases no more than .002" resized anywhere on my .308 case. I have seen some dies size/reduce a case as much as .008" Over working the case in my book. Unless it is an auto-loader and then you may need to resize it that much. It is not rocket science once you grasp the basics. You can spend a lot on tools and goodies though. MY first loadings were 30-30 and with a Lee Wack-A-Mole loader. Called Lee classic loader. It is a neck sizer so if you have cases fired from your gun going back into your gun it works well. I made ammo that shot 3/4" at 100 yards with it . Then got one for .308 and then 30-06. I later got a real press and it was also a Lee Classic Cast press made in USA. New for 85 bucks. Here is what I started with and some powder, primers and bullets. OH and a small hammer. [URL]https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/1012833230?pid=543039&utm_medium=shopping&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Reloading%20-%20Metallic%20Reloading%20Equipment%20(Not%20Presses)&utm_content=543039&cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Reloading%20-%20Metallic%20Reloading%20Equipment%20(Not%20Presses)-_-Lee-_-543039&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiJf6gL3s4wIVkf_jBx1ahQT1EAQYASABEgKEMvD_BwE[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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