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<blockquote data-quote="mugsy" data-source="post: 2134502" data-attributes="member: 18914"><p>Take a look at the linked article or read the text below about the disturbing case of a recently released felon, who apparently has murdered his grandparents and is now actively seeking guns - which he presumably cannot acquire through any source that requires a background check.</p><p></p><p>Is this <strong>"the"</strong> case that drives home the point UBC supporters like to make?</p><p>Is this the case that many who engage in private sales fear most - i.e. the possibility of inadvertently arming a dangerous person?</p><p>Does this give anyone pause or are there creative suggestions on how to deal with such situations?</p><p>Would some kind of non-recorded background check system for private sales be useful to prevent a man like this from arming himself, at least, without going to the trouble of trying to expose himself to more risk via criminal activity?</p><p>BTW - let's also be honest, look at the guy - I'll bet his appearance wouldn't set off many OSA'ers "criminal radar". Does that affect the opinion of those who say "I won't sell if anything looks wrong" - i.e. does it make you want a (more) objective means to weigh a buyer?</p><p></p><p>No flaming - just your opinions. I respect everyone's right to state what they think as long as it is a reasoned opinion and I am NOT taking a side to start the discussion just asking questions. I simply started ruminating when I read this piece earlier today and wanted to share/hear from OSAers on same.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/12/police-believe-wash-felon-killed-grandparents-after-welcome-home-from-prison/?test=latestnews" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/12/police-believe-wash-felon-killed-grandparents-after-welcome-home-from-prison/?test=latestnews</a></p><p></p><p>Note the second, seventh, and eighth paragraphs (some of the "paragraphs" are one sentence - hey I didn't write the article I just read it) comments about not having guns but actively seeking them and searching gun shows on the internet.</p><p></p><p>Here's the text for the link impaired:</p><p></p><p><em>Police believe Wash. felon killed grandparents after 'welcome home' from prison party</em></p><p><em>Published March 12, 2013</em></p><p><em>Associated Press</em></p><p>[ATTACH]27968[/ATTACH]</p><p><em>This photo provided by the King County sheriffs office shows Michael "Chad" Boysen. (AP) </em></p><p><em>Police surround a home after an elderly couple was found dead. (q13 fox) </em></p><p><em>Next Slide Previous Slide A convicted felon is on the run after allegedly killing his grandparents as they hosted a party to celebrate his release from a Washington state prison. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Michael "Chad" Boysen, 26, is considered extremely dangerous and has tried to obtain guns, police said Monday. Q13 Fox reports Boysen has also made threats against law enforcement and community leaders, according to police. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Boysen was released from prison Friday after serving several years for robbery. His grandparents, 82-year-old Robert Taylor and 80-year-old Norma Taylor, picked him up from prison and hosted a family "welcome home party" for him that night, Q13 Fox reports.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The grandparents were killed later Friday or early Saturday at their Renton home. Authorities believe Boysen also stole their car.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>This is an exceedingly heinous crime any way you look at it, and I think the risk thats out there is extreme right now, King County Sheriff John Urquhart told Q13 Fox. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The sheriff said the grandparents were not shot, but he declined to provide other details about their killings, pending autopsies.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Detectives believe Boysen is trying to find weapons, and Urquhart said authorities do not believe he had a gun when he left the crime scene. Boysen had been searching the Internet for "gun shows" across the Northwest and Nevada, the sheriff's office said.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Basically right now we have a person thats very, very dangerous on the run that we believe is trying to obtain weapons to kill citizens and police officers and corrections officers, Urquhart told Q13 Fox. We need to catch this guy."</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Boysen had been in prison since 2006 on three robbery convictions in King County, said Judy Feliciano of the state Corrections Department.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>He was released Friday from the prison at Monroe, about 35 miles north of Renton, and was supposed to check in with a community supervision officer within 24 hours, she said.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Boysen's grandparents had fixed up a room in their home for him to sleep in his first night out of prison, said Sgt. Cindi West, a sheriff's spokeswoman. Boysen was planning to stay elsewhere after that.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>"We are at a loss as to why he killed them," Urquhart said. "We don't know what the motive is."</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Boysen is 5-foot-10, weighs 170 pounds and has hazel eyes. He may be driving his grandparents' red, 2001 Chrysler 300, with Washington license plate 046XXU.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>A warrant has been issued for Boysen's arrest. If he's stopped anywhere in the country, law enforcement officers will know he's a wanted man, state Corrections Department spokesman Chad Lewis said.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Click for more from Q13 Fox.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The Associated Press contributed to this report.</em></p><p></p><p>Read more: <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/12/police-believe-wash-felon-killed-grandparents-after-welcome-home-from-prison/?test=latestnews#ixzz2NKtbn2Zp" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/12/police-believe-wash-felon-killed-grandparents-after-welcome-home-from-prison/?test=latestnews#ixzz2NKtbn2Zp</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mugsy, post: 2134502, member: 18914"] Take a look at the linked article or read the text below about the disturbing case of a recently released felon, who apparently has murdered his grandparents and is now actively seeking guns - which he presumably cannot acquire through any source that requires a background check. Is this [B]"the"[/B] case that drives home the point UBC supporters like to make? Is this the case that many who engage in private sales fear most - i.e. the possibility of inadvertently arming a dangerous person? Does this give anyone pause or are there creative suggestions on how to deal with such situations? Would some kind of non-recorded background check system for private sales be useful to prevent a man like this from arming himself, at least, without going to the trouble of trying to expose himself to more risk via criminal activity? BTW - let's also be honest, look at the guy - I'll bet his appearance wouldn't set off many OSA'ers "criminal radar". Does that affect the opinion of those who say "I won't sell if anything looks wrong" - i.e. does it make you want a (more) objective means to weigh a buyer? No flaming - just your opinions. I respect everyone's right to state what they think as long as it is a reasoned opinion and I am NOT taking a side to start the discussion just asking questions. I simply started ruminating when I read this piece earlier today and wanted to share/hear from OSAers on same. [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/12/police-believe-wash-felon-killed-grandparents-after-welcome-home-from-prison/?test=latestnews"]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/12/police-believe-wash-felon-killed-grandparents-after-welcome-home-from-prison/?test=latestnews[/URL] Note the second, seventh, and eighth paragraphs (some of the "paragraphs" are one sentence - hey I didn't write the article I just read it) comments about not having guns but actively seeking them and searching gun shows on the internet. Here's the text for the link impaired: [I]Police believe Wash. felon killed grandparents after 'welcome home' from prison party Published March 12, 2013 Associated Press[/I] [ATTACH=CONFIG]27968[/ATTACH] [I]This photo provided by the King County sheriffs office shows Michael "Chad" Boysen. (AP) Police surround a home after an elderly couple was found dead. (q13 fox) Next Slide Previous Slide A convicted felon is on the run after allegedly killing his grandparents as they hosted a party to celebrate his release from a Washington state prison. Michael "Chad" Boysen, 26, is considered extremely dangerous and has tried to obtain guns, police said Monday. Q13 Fox reports Boysen has also made threats against law enforcement and community leaders, according to police. Boysen was released from prison Friday after serving several years for robbery. His grandparents, 82-year-old Robert Taylor and 80-year-old Norma Taylor, picked him up from prison and hosted a family "welcome home party" for him that night, Q13 Fox reports. The grandparents were killed later Friday or early Saturday at their Renton home. Authorities believe Boysen also stole their car. This is an exceedingly heinous crime any way you look at it, and I think the risk thats out there is extreme right now, King County Sheriff John Urquhart told Q13 Fox. The sheriff said the grandparents were not shot, but he declined to provide other details about their killings, pending autopsies. Detectives believe Boysen is trying to find weapons, and Urquhart said authorities do not believe he had a gun when he left the crime scene. Boysen had been searching the Internet for "gun shows" across the Northwest and Nevada, the sheriff's office said. Basically right now we have a person thats very, very dangerous on the run that we believe is trying to obtain weapons to kill citizens and police officers and corrections officers, Urquhart told Q13 Fox. We need to catch this guy." Boysen had been in prison since 2006 on three robbery convictions in King County, said Judy Feliciano of the state Corrections Department. He was released Friday from the prison at Monroe, about 35 miles north of Renton, and was supposed to check in with a community supervision officer within 24 hours, she said. Boysen's grandparents had fixed up a room in their home for him to sleep in his first night out of prison, said Sgt. Cindi West, a sheriff's spokeswoman. Boysen was planning to stay elsewhere after that. "We are at a loss as to why he killed them," Urquhart said. "We don't know what the motive is." Boysen is 5-foot-10, weighs 170 pounds and has hazel eyes. He may be driving his grandparents' red, 2001 Chrysler 300, with Washington license plate 046XXU. A warrant has been issued for Boysen's arrest. If he's stopped anywhere in the country, law enforcement officers will know he's a wanted man, state Corrections Department spokesman Chad Lewis said. Click for more from Q13 Fox. The Associated Press contributed to this report.[/I] Read more: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/12/police-believe-wash-felon-killed-grandparents-after-welcome-home-from-prison/?test=latestnews#ixzz2NKtbn2Zp[/url] [/QUOTE]
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