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<blockquote data-quote="sh00ter" data-source="post: 2694900" data-attributes="member: 24531"><p>I know muslims that say they see ISIS as heretics and sorta the same as some of us see the Westborough Baptist Church...they said that they are considered "liberals" because they are tolerant and the militants would chop off their heads before even mine just because they were friendly with the west. I want to believe them although I see the issue that there are probably millions of militants world-wide so I'm not going to bury my head int he sand. But I still just have to take things on a case-by-case basis in my daily life while recognizing the greater problem globally. </p><p></p><p>One interesting thing was I heard reports of the rally and the counter-rally and the counter-rally good ol' boys claimed to be there to support free speech yet wanted to shut down the muslim rally LOL...And of course, in supporting Je Suis Charlie, those same right-wingers are supporting a magazine to poke fun of Muslims yet I'd bet money that they would not support Je Suis Charlie's rights to free speech when they were making fun of Christians which they have done in the past (I don't personally like it either just like flag burning). I myself am an Independent Conservative but I'm honest and it is hard to deny the irony and closed mindedness of the average person regardless of their ideology...It is when a GOVERNEMENT tries to suppress speech that the real tyranny exists...saying bad things about Muslims was perfectly legal in France apparently, but if you badmouth the EU then you can be imprisoned...The Muslims who launched the horrible attacks on the magazine were out for revenge and not systematically suppressing free speech. If you go pick a fight with a bully then you better be able to back it up...the lack of the 2nd amendment is what got those cartoonists killed and nothing to do with free speech....it is partly their fault for instigating it and then voting for a leftist regime in France that denies them their right to self-defense...not very smart but I still condemn the attacks in every way and wish it had not happened, but I guess my point in discussing the rally is that the right is as easily manipulated as the left...people should apply principles evenly if it is what they believe in. It is hard though...I despise and personally condemn any provocations against my religion which usually comes from the left. In a different time I'd probably be for banning it but I'm not for violence against anyone unless it is in self-defense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sh00ter, post: 2694900, member: 24531"] I know muslims that say they see ISIS as heretics and sorta the same as some of us see the Westborough Baptist Church...they said that they are considered "liberals" because they are tolerant and the militants would chop off their heads before even mine just because they were friendly with the west. I want to believe them although I see the issue that there are probably millions of militants world-wide so I'm not going to bury my head int he sand. But I still just have to take things on a case-by-case basis in my daily life while recognizing the greater problem globally. One interesting thing was I heard reports of the rally and the counter-rally and the counter-rally good ol' boys claimed to be there to support free speech yet wanted to shut down the muslim rally LOL...And of course, in supporting Je Suis Charlie, those same right-wingers are supporting a magazine to poke fun of Muslims yet I'd bet money that they would not support Je Suis Charlie's rights to free speech when they were making fun of Christians which they have done in the past (I don't personally like it either just like flag burning). I myself am an Independent Conservative but I'm honest and it is hard to deny the irony and closed mindedness of the average person regardless of their ideology...It is when a GOVERNEMENT tries to suppress speech that the real tyranny exists...saying bad things about Muslims was perfectly legal in France apparently, but if you badmouth the EU then you can be imprisoned...The Muslims who launched the horrible attacks on the magazine were out for revenge and not systematically suppressing free speech. If you go pick a fight with a bully then you better be able to back it up...the lack of the 2nd amendment is what got those cartoonists killed and nothing to do with free speech....it is partly their fault for instigating it and then voting for a leftist regime in France that denies them their right to self-defense...not very smart but I still condemn the attacks in every way and wish it had not happened, but I guess my point in discussing the rally is that the right is as easily manipulated as the left...people should apply principles evenly if it is what they believe in. It is hard though...I despise and personally condemn any provocations against my religion which usually comes from the left. In a different time I'd probably be for banning it but I'm not for violence against anyone unless it is in self-defense. [/QUOTE]
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