Judge/Governor/Rat Shot will be legal in November as well as AR pistols

[NikatKimber]

This only applies to a firearm that is purposely manufactured as a "handgun" - meaning a revolver, break-action (derringer), or semi-auto pistol. While an AR pistol is manufactured as such, their size and unwieldiness make them a mote point, of course.

It would not apply to a short-barreled shotgun - break-action, pump, or semi - as those are originally manufactured as shoulder-fired guns.

It wouldn't apply to the short barreled PISTOL GRIP ONLY guns (that were originally built that way, never had a stock), because they are designed to fire multiple projectiles. The Oklahoma statute makes no mention of having a stock or not, or overall length on either the definition of "Shotgun" or "Sawed Off Shotgun".

The OK statute defining firearms is written horribly. In my not-so-humble opinion. I pretty much facepalm every time I read "Sawed Off Shotgun" as a legal definition. Stupid.

 

[mtnboomer]

It wouldn't apply to the short barreled PISTOL GRIP ONLY guns (that were originally built that way, never had a stock), because they are designed to fire multiple projectiles. The Oklahoma statute makes no mention of having a stock or not, or overall length on either the definition of "Shotgun" or "Sawed Off Shotgun".

It makes no difference to federal law if the shotgun was built with a butt stock or pistol grip - they are both still originally manufactured as a shoulder-fired arm. A shotgun has to have an 18" or longer barrel with a shoulder stock and 20" or longer with a pistol grip to be federally legal and not considered an SBR. Oklahoma statues don't list any of these requirements because federal law already does.

 

[tomthebaker]

It makes no difference to federal law if the shotgun was built with a butt stock or pistol grip - they are both still originally manufactured as a shoulder-fired arm. A shotgun has to have an 18" or longer barrel with a shoulder stock and 20" or longer with a pistol grip to be federally legal and not considered an SBR. Oklahoma statues don't list any of these requirements because federal law already does.

The 14" PGO shotgun is not a shotgun. It is "other weapon" and federally legal. I can buy one right now if I so choose.

 

[HiredHand]

But in the case of the Mossberg shockwave the state law conflicts with the federal law and the state law wins out.

 

[NikatKimber]

It makes no difference to federal law if the shotgun was built with a butt stock or pistol grip - they are both still originally manufactured as a shoulder-fired arm. A shotgun has to have an 18" or longer barrel with a shoulder stock and 20" or longer with a pistol grip to be federally legal and not considered an SBR. Oklahoma statues don't list any of these requirements because federal law already does.

Disagree. The ATF includes this phrase in the definition of shotgun: "designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder". So if a firearm receiver has never had a stock attached, it does not meet that definition.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firear...n-firearms-gun-control-act-definition-shotgun

Hence, the Shockwave is not a Shotgun per Federal law because it was never a shoulder fired gun.

The OK code does not make such a distinction in either the "Shotgun" or "Sawed Off Shotgun" definitions, therefore it is governed by them. The OK law in this case is more restrictive.

 

[mtnboomer]

http://www.mossberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Shockwave-Letter-from-ATF-3-2-17.pdf

According to the ATF letter to Mossberg, the Shockwave is still not considered a pistol as that label in never used in the letter - it is a shotgun by virtue of it's construction and that is verified by the ATF using the shotgun law. The ATF also advises that it cannot be carried concealed as it would likely violate the NFA rules.

As to state laws, if a state has a law stating a shotgun can't have a barrel less that 18' long, this gun would likely be illegal.

 

[Mr10mm]

I haven't seen this posted here yet. The Governor signed HB 1428 into law this week. http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2017-18 ENR/hB/HB1428 ENR.PDF if I read this correctly it makes using shot shells out of the Judge/Governor type handguns legal as well as rat shot. It also appears to make AR pistols legal to carry. Now the practicality of these item is another story but they will be legal at least.

Learned something new, never knew you couldn't carry a judge/governor aka Jerome Ersland special.

 

[rawhide]

Learned something new, never knew you couldn't carry a judge/governor aka Jerome Ersland special.

You could carry one but previous law didn't allow for multiple projectiles from a pistol.

 

[tRidiot]

Meaning previously you couldn't carry .410 ammunition in it (except a slug??), but could carry it with .45LC ammo loaded.

 

[Pokinfun]

Are not most all AR's way over 16 inches length ?

reading the Act, they changed the definition from oval length of 16 inches to barrels less than 16 inches.