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<blockquote data-quote="JR777" data-source="post: 3586379" data-attributes="member: 45725"><p>They didn't really go into whether the guy who got shot was actually there to rob the place or not, whether he was armed, etc. Whether it was justified or not depends entirely on what he knew at the time. If he had good reason to believe that there was an armed burglar on the other side of that door, and said burglar was making an attempt to get inside, it's a pretty good case.</p><p></p><p>What they said though is that self defense can't be used as a legal defense because the guy's license to grow marijuana had expired. So the difference between self defense and murder is apparently a matter of letting a business license lapse.</p><p></p><p>Does that mean that if you're driving on an expired license, and someone tries to kill you because they're road raging, and you defend yourself, that you've just committed first degree murder? I would think long and hard about that, especially since the state of Oklahoma has apparently decided to for all intents and purposes suspend all DMV services. I think that's relevant, because I 100% believe her when she claims that the state put him in a position where he wasn't able to renew his license.</p><p></p><p>Or what if your business gets held up, but it's found after the fact that you let your business license lapse? Were this a gas station robbery and a normal every day business license I don't think we would be having this conversation, but if this nonsense is allowed to stand then one day we might be.</p><p></p><p>If you ask me, this sets incredibly dangerous precedents. I don't care if he was dealing trailer park meth out of an ice cream truck. Self defense is self defense. But this is downright Orwellian because they basically removed his right to defend himself for failing to give the crown its demanded cut of the profits. Basically what the legislature and courts are saying is that if you deprive the state of its protection money you lose your most basic human rights.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JR777, post: 3586379, member: 45725"] They didn't really go into whether the guy who got shot was actually there to rob the place or not, whether he was armed, etc. Whether it was justified or not depends entirely on what he knew at the time. If he had good reason to believe that there was an armed burglar on the other side of that door, and said burglar was making an attempt to get inside, it's a pretty good case. What they said though is that self defense can't be used as a legal defense because the guy's license to grow marijuana had expired. So the difference between self defense and murder is apparently a matter of letting a business license lapse. Does that mean that if you're driving on an expired license, and someone tries to kill you because they're road raging, and you defend yourself, that you've just committed first degree murder? I would think long and hard about that, especially since the state of Oklahoma has apparently decided to for all intents and purposes suspend all DMV services. I think that's relevant, because I 100% believe her when she claims that the state put him in a position where he wasn't able to renew his license. Or what if your business gets held up, but it's found after the fact that you let your business license lapse? Were this a gas station robbery and a normal every day business license I don't think we would be having this conversation, but if this nonsense is allowed to stand then one day we might be. If you ask me, this sets incredibly dangerous precedents. I don't care if he was dealing trailer park meth out of an ice cream truck. Self defense is self defense. But this is downright Orwellian because they basically removed his right to defend himself for failing to give the crown its demanded cut of the profits. Basically what the legislature and courts are saying is that if you deprive the state of its protection money you lose your most basic human rights. [/QUOTE]
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