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<blockquote data-quote="tRidiot" data-source="post: 2344673" data-attributes="member: 9374"><p>When I was riding the bus, there was no way in hell we were going on-scene unless we knew it was safe. You can't save ANYBODY if you're dead. And no way in hell I'd ask any of my medics now to do it. And if they do, you can bet I'm gonna have a chat with them and we'll talk about it. Not to berate them, but to find out the true on-the-scene circumstances and hopefully we can all learn from the right/wrong decision of the moment.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Abso-freaking-lutely!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, so all the hoopla is over whether the guy thought he "felt a faint pulse"? Meh... I wouldn't jump on the bandwagon sayin' the guy was still alive at all (obviously we now know he probably wasn't). I can't tell you how many times healthcare providers in a controlled environment with monitoring equipment and multiple people checking have difficulty determining if there is actually a pulse. It's not inadequacy or poor training or anything else... it's just frigging hard, sometimes. "I think I've got a femoral pulse, check the carotid! Hmmmm, I can't tell, what does the monitor show? Someone get the Doppler unit to listen." It's just how it is...</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know... maybe that's a bigger-city thing. Most of the cops I know will render aid in a reasonable manner, many have done CPR for us prior to any medical personel arriving on the scene, and I remember one cop doing mouth-to-mouth (not so many years ago) on a little girl and literally saved her life. I'm certain his efforts made the difference for her in the longrun. Kudos to our officers out there in the line of fire, and while I would never second-guess any officer's choice NOT to participate in whatever way, I am grateful for those who can and do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tRidiot, post: 2344673, member: 9374"] When I was riding the bus, there was no way in hell we were going on-scene unless we knew it was safe. You can't save ANYBODY if you're dead. And no way in hell I'd ask any of my medics now to do it. And if they do, you can bet I'm gonna have a chat with them and we'll talk about it. Not to berate them, but to find out the true on-the-scene circumstances and hopefully we can all learn from the right/wrong decision of the moment. Abso-freaking-lutely! Yeah, so all the hoopla is over whether the guy thought he "felt a faint pulse"? Meh... I wouldn't jump on the bandwagon sayin' the guy was still alive at all (obviously we now know he probably wasn't). I can't tell you how many times healthcare providers in a controlled environment with monitoring equipment and multiple people checking have difficulty determining if there is actually a pulse. It's not inadequacy or poor training or anything else... it's just frigging hard, sometimes. "I think I've got a femoral pulse, check the carotid! Hmmmm, I can't tell, what does the monitor show? Someone get the Doppler unit to listen." It's just how it is... I don't know... maybe that's a bigger-city thing. Most of the cops I know will render aid in a reasonable manner, many have done CPR for us prior to any medical personel arriving on the scene, and I remember one cop doing mouth-to-mouth (not so many years ago) on a little girl and literally saved her life. I'm certain his efforts made the difference for her in the longrun. Kudos to our officers out there in the line of fire, and while I would never second-guess any officer's choice NOT to participate in whatever way, I am grateful for those who can and do. [/QUOTE]
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