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LEO asked me to remove my gun and leave it in car during traffic stop
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<blockquote data-quote="crazy8" data-source="post: 1160820" data-attributes="member: 12229"><p>I've had an interesting/exciting last few days.It seems lately my life has been following the very topics of this most excellent and informtive forum Glad I found it.(but maybe not)Please no one post a thread about car wrecks.I dont want to have one.<img src="/images/smilies/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Anyway:we were returning home from the hospital yesterday and we(my wife was driving)were stopped by a trooper right on the Hwy69/412 exit in choteau/loves truck stop.Well she pulled over in the sonic paking lotbecause he lit her up while still on the loopy thing.and she couldn't stop right there in the merge lane(she did this on her own,without me rightside driving,I was napping)the trooper came to her window "DL and POI please Mam.."please step out of the truck and to my car please mam".No problem so far,very professional untill I took a glimps in the rear view to see him sitting in his seat and my wife trying to open the passengerside door.She's all of 5feet tall on her tippy toes,and 100lbs soaking wet.I thought it a bit odd that the trooper had been exceptionally courtious up utill then,so why not continue,I'm sure his mother or the academy taught him manors and that men open doors for ladies house doors store doors car doors weather or not she expects it.but thats neither here nor there.</p><p>What my question is on something that I'm not sure of how the subject came up(my wifes detail is kinda wifey if you know what I mean)but as far as I can make out while in the car the trooper asked "is there any guns or drugs in the truck"?And she answers <strong>yes</strong> but they belong to him, not mine.whoaboy! (honey I love ya but that brain connected to that mouth is a WMD).</p><p>Well he comes to my side now and I roll the window down I say yes officer?"</p><p>Sir is the lady your wife? yes sir,she's said you have a gun and drugs in the vehicle can you please step out of the truck.Now it was going to be my turn to let my mouth get me into trouble.How do you politely and respectfully say the word no to an officer without setting off warning bells in his head?But unlike my wife I thought about it before I opened my fat mouth and leaned forward showed him my stapels and said "not without probably passing out sir.</p><p>Long story longer I offered to show him my permit for the gun as I handed him the bottle of darvocet with my name on it,but he said thats not nessicary,you've all been pretty honest so far,I'm only going to issue her a warning for failure to signal that last lane change,.Shell be back to the truck for you in just a minute sir,sorry for the inconvience hope you get well soon.</p><p></p><p>Question:shouldn' he have asked for my ID at the time of the initial stop for his safey.(at which time I would have gladly given him my permit and tell him where the gun was.)could have saved both me and the trooper the headach.punn intended<img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /> who knows I could have been an illegal</p><p>Question:Is probable cause or reasonable suspicion needed to ask the question got any guns or drugs in the car?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="crazy8, post: 1160820, member: 12229"] I've had an interesting/exciting last few days.It seems lately my life has been following the very topics of this most excellent and informtive forum Glad I found it.(but maybe not)Please no one post a thread about car wrecks.I dont want to have one.;) Anyway:we were returning home from the hospital yesterday and we(my wife was driving)were stopped by a trooper right on the Hwy69/412 exit in choteau/loves truck stop.Well she pulled over in the sonic paking lotbecause he lit her up while still on the loopy thing.and she couldn't stop right there in the merge lane(she did this on her own,without me rightside driving,I was napping)the trooper came to her window "DL and POI please Mam.."please step out of the truck and to my car please mam".No problem so far,very professional untill I took a glimps in the rear view to see him sitting in his seat and my wife trying to open the passengerside door.She's all of 5feet tall on her tippy toes,and 100lbs soaking wet.I thought it a bit odd that the trooper had been exceptionally courtious up utill then,so why not continue,I'm sure his mother or the academy taught him manors and that men open doors for ladies house doors store doors car doors weather or not she expects it.but thats neither here nor there. What my question is on something that I'm not sure of how the subject came up(my wifes detail is kinda wifey if you know what I mean)but as far as I can make out while in the car the trooper asked "is there any guns or drugs in the truck"?And she answers [b]yes[/b] but they belong to him, not mine.whoaboy! (honey I love ya but that brain connected to that mouth is a WMD). Well he comes to my side now and I roll the window down I say yes officer?" Sir is the lady your wife? yes sir,she's said you have a gun and drugs in the vehicle can you please step out of the truck.Now it was going to be my turn to let my mouth get me into trouble.How do you politely and respectfully say the word no to an officer without setting off warning bells in his head?But unlike my wife I thought about it before I opened my fat mouth and leaned forward showed him my stapels and said "not without probably passing out sir. Long story longer I offered to show him my permit for the gun as I handed him the bottle of darvocet with my name on it,but he said thats not nessicary,you've all been pretty honest so far,I'm only going to issue her a warning for failure to signal that last lane change,.Shell be back to the truck for you in just a minute sir,sorry for the inconvience hope you get well soon. Question:shouldn' he have asked for my ID at the time of the initial stop for his safey.(at which time I would have gladly given him my permit and tell him where the gun was.)could have saved both me and the trooper the headach.punn intended:D who knows I could have been an illegal Question:Is probable cause or reasonable suspicion needed to ask the question got any guns or drugs in the car? [/QUOTE]
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