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<blockquote data-quote="Ethan N" data-source="post: 3225374" data-attributes="member: 29267"><p>I’m not missing the point. I understand your position very well. However, causing panic is not why falsely yelling “fire” in a theater wouldn’t be protected speech. Go learn about the history of restrictions on 1A before trying to use it as an analogy. I think you’ll be surprised by what you find out, if you take the time to thoroughly understand what you read. The Supreme Court has not only supported the right of people to cause fear and panic with their speech, but even the right to advocate for breaking the law.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree he knew what he did would cause fear. I don’t agree he could have known it would cause panic. It certainly didn’t cause panic when he did the same thing at other times in other places, so it’s reasonable to think his goal was not to cause panic, but, as he stated, to cause a police response.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think the main thing you fail to consider is that rights have costs. One of those costs is that people will exercise their rights in ways that are wrong. The things that Westboro Baptist “Church” says are repugnant, disgusting, and indefensible. Every time I see their demonstrations I wish I could go stop them. But I wouldn’t even if I could. I support their right to say what they say, despite the fact that thinking about their views at this moment makes me feel like I need to throw up. Why do I support it? Because I understand rights. I understand the dangers inherent to restricting the exercise of a right because you disagree with how someone exercises that right. Your comments have demonstrated a profound ignorance of this area of political philosophy and of the judicial history of the Bill of Rights. I encourage you to learn more about this. You may just find that your views on this change somewhat.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ethan N, post: 3225374, member: 29267"] I’m not missing the point. I understand your position very well. However, causing panic is not why falsely yelling “fire” in a theater wouldn’t be protected speech. Go learn about the history of restrictions on 1A before trying to use it as an analogy. I think you’ll be surprised by what you find out, if you take the time to thoroughly understand what you read. The Supreme Court has not only supported the right of people to cause fear and panic with their speech, but even the right to advocate for breaking the law. I agree he knew what he did would cause fear. I don’t agree he could have known it would cause panic. It certainly didn’t cause panic when he did the same thing at other times in other places, so it’s reasonable to think his goal was not to cause panic, but, as he stated, to cause a police response. I think the main thing you fail to consider is that rights have costs. One of those costs is that people will exercise their rights in ways that are wrong. The things that Westboro Baptist “Church” says are repugnant, disgusting, and indefensible. Every time I see their demonstrations I wish I could go stop them. But I wouldn’t even if I could. I support their right to say what they say, despite the fact that thinking about their views at this moment makes me feel like I need to throw up. Why do I support it? Because I understand rights. I understand the dangers inherent to restricting the exercise of a right because you disagree with how someone exercises that right. Your comments have demonstrated a profound ignorance of this area of political philosophy and of the judicial history of the Bill of Rights. I encourage you to learn more about this. You may just find that your views on this change somewhat. [/QUOTE]
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