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Looking to get into martial arts in OKC... thinking Krav and BJJ. Advice Appreciated
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<blockquote data-quote="henschman" data-source="post: 2796454" data-attributes="member: 4235"><p>zg, I would definitely be interested in taking something involving full contact sparring too, like Muay Thai. That's another thing that interested me about National Martial Arts, as they also offer MT along with Krav and BJJ. It seems like a really good combo of skills to practice. I am doing this partially for fitness, but would like to learn things that would prepare me as much as possible to win the fight in the real world, just as I strive to do with my firearms training. </p><p></p><p>My thoughts are that Krav/combatives seem to teach the most effective techniques for winning a real world, life-or-death fight, and teach some skills with the knife and other weapons, which I like because it is rare that I don't have some sort of weapon on me. I probably will want to make combatives the focus of my training... but then again it seems to me a little bit might be missed by only learning techniques so destructive that you can't really practice them 100% full contact against a fully resisting live opponent. BJJ is appealing to me because lots of fights end up on the ground, there may be situations where you do not necessarily want to kill, paralyze, or seriously injure the opponent and submitting or choking him out would do just fine (or have to counter the same type of techniques being applied to you), and a big draw to me is that the techniques allow you to go all out against a fully resisting opponent in a competitive setting. Muay Thai would be a discipline where I could learn how to both hit hard and take a hit (which would feed back nicely into combatives training), and could also be practiced in a full contact sparring setting. But like I said, these are just the musings of someone with no real martial arts training... it would be good if some of y'all with more experience than me could tell me if this multi-disciplinary approach makes any sense, or if I would be better off picking one thing and sticking with it, at least until I learn more. </p><p></p><p>Good to hear from Oklahoma Combatives -- thanks for supporting the forum. I hear what you're saying about not wanting to get to stuck on names. I don't care what you want to call it -- what I want from a combatives course is to learn how to kill or disable an opponent as quickly and effectively as possible... basically learning the kind of simple, effective techniques that are taught in this old post-WWII Army manual (FM 21-150): <a href="https://ia802708.us.archive.org/17/items/milmanual-fm-21-150-hand-to-hand-combat-1954/fm_21-150_hand_to_hand_combat_1954_text.pdf" target="_blank">https://ia802708.us.archive.org/17/items/milmanual-fm-21-150-hand-to-hand-combat-1954/fm_21-150_hand_to_hand_combat_1954_text.pdf</a> </p><p>I expressed an interest in Krav because it seems like it is the most common and available source for learning that kind of stuff. I definitely don't want some sort of watered down, Israeli Tae Bo workout program like I suspect some places offer (when a gym calls it's Krav program "family friendly" I have to wonder). I have no doubt y'all are teaching the real deal. Do you offer an OSA special on the weekly classes too?</p><p></p><p>Still in for more advice from the forum, especially relating to a multi-disciplinary martial arts approach, or suggestions for gyms/schools. Surveyor1653 suggested Systema. Any input on that discipline, and how it would compare with Krav? Post here or feel free to PM me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="henschman, post: 2796454, member: 4235"] zg, I would definitely be interested in taking something involving full contact sparring too, like Muay Thai. That's another thing that interested me about National Martial Arts, as they also offer MT along with Krav and BJJ. It seems like a really good combo of skills to practice. I am doing this partially for fitness, but would like to learn things that would prepare me as much as possible to win the fight in the real world, just as I strive to do with my firearms training. My thoughts are that Krav/combatives seem to teach the most effective techniques for winning a real world, life-or-death fight, and teach some skills with the knife and other weapons, which I like because it is rare that I don't have some sort of weapon on me. I probably will want to make combatives the focus of my training... but then again it seems to me a little bit might be missed by only learning techniques so destructive that you can't really practice them 100% full contact against a fully resisting live opponent. BJJ is appealing to me because lots of fights end up on the ground, there may be situations where you do not necessarily want to kill, paralyze, or seriously injure the opponent and submitting or choking him out would do just fine (or have to counter the same type of techniques being applied to you), and a big draw to me is that the techniques allow you to go all out against a fully resisting opponent in a competitive setting. Muay Thai would be a discipline where I could learn how to both hit hard and take a hit (which would feed back nicely into combatives training), and could also be practiced in a full contact sparring setting. But like I said, these are just the musings of someone with no real martial arts training... it would be good if some of y'all with more experience than me could tell me if this multi-disciplinary approach makes any sense, or if I would be better off picking one thing and sticking with it, at least until I learn more. Good to hear from Oklahoma Combatives -- thanks for supporting the forum. I hear what you're saying about not wanting to get to stuck on names. I don't care what you want to call it -- what I want from a combatives course is to learn how to kill or disable an opponent as quickly and effectively as possible... basically learning the kind of simple, effective techniques that are taught in this old post-WWII Army manual (FM 21-150): [url]https://ia802708.us.archive.org/17/items/milmanual-fm-21-150-hand-to-hand-combat-1954/fm_21-150_hand_to_hand_combat_1954_text.pdf[/url] I expressed an interest in Krav because it seems like it is the most common and available source for learning that kind of stuff. I definitely don't want some sort of watered down, Israeli Tae Bo workout program like I suspect some places offer (when a gym calls it's Krav program "family friendly" I have to wonder). I have no doubt y'all are teaching the real deal. Do you offer an OSA special on the weekly classes too? Still in for more advice from the forum, especially relating to a multi-disciplinary martial arts approach, or suggestions for gyms/schools. Surveyor1653 suggested Systema. Any input on that discipline, and how it would compare with Krav? Post here or feel free to PM me. [/QUOTE]
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