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Looking to get into martial arts in OKC... thinking Krav and BJJ. Advice Appreciated
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<blockquote data-quote="Oklahoma Combatives" data-source="post: 2796488" data-attributes="member: 32566"><p>Muay Thai, Boxing, Jiu Jitsi, Wrestling.... are good combat SPORTS. Yes, there are techniques and methods from each that transfer over but the application is VERY different in real Krav Maga. Something else to consider is mindset. Most people don't get this. But in the ring, on the mat,etc the mindset is not one of wanting to disable/terminate an attacker... It's a game... a game of trading strike for strike (strikes dont even have to be effective.. as long as there is contact you get a point..LOL).... it's also game of endurance.. You know in the back of your mind you have so many rounds so you pace yourself. Rules are followed by all and there is a ref for your safety. Very different. You mentioned most fights end up on the ground, that's not entirely true... BUT regardless whether you agree or not how many people can you fight on the ground on one time? ONE. What if a weapon is involved? I have plenty of surveillance footage of a ground situation getting ugly because of weapons or because of multiple attackers (most people who attack, unless crazy or high usually aren't alone). As for wanting to submit or choke out an attacker because you dont necessarily want to inflict harm, how do you gauge exactly what the intent of the attacker is? You cant ask him "On a scale of 1-10 how much damage/pain/etc do you plan on inflicting on me? I'll make adjustments as needed."... Thats not reality. Not knocking your thought at all.. I get exactly what you mean.. I've been asked questions regarding that. You have to understand where we come from..where we've trained...where we've been and who we associate ourselves with. We train people across the globe that deal with REAL threats everyday... hostage situation, stabbings, executions,etc.. that's the world we came from and that's why what we train others in has to work. As for sparring we train full speed... We use protective gear, but of course for some it takes a while before they are able to do so. Of course we dont throw a hammerfist to the back of the neck at 100%. But the knife attacks, the chokes/holds, the tackles, the ground fighting, etc is all done full speed up to that student's comfort level/experience. The guy who trained me once said.. "I dont have time to teach BS. How can I knock on a mother's door and tell her that her child is dead because I taught them BS?". I think that statement sums up everything I've said here. Sorry for the long post but I wanted to address your message as best as possible.. One last thing... STRIKING STRIKING STRIKING.. Everyone is so caught up in Jiu Jitsu these days.. Every fight starts or ends or sometimes both with striking. You dont need to know 50 ways to throw a jab.. get some good solid basics on striking and with the right mindset and proper training you can do a lot of damage.. And damage, not pain, is what ends a fight.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oklahoma Combatives, post: 2796488, member: 32566"] Muay Thai, Boxing, Jiu Jitsi, Wrestling.... are good combat SPORTS. Yes, there are techniques and methods from each that transfer over but the application is VERY different in real Krav Maga. Something else to consider is mindset. Most people don't get this. But in the ring, on the mat,etc the mindset is not one of wanting to disable/terminate an attacker... It's a game... a game of trading strike for strike (strikes dont even have to be effective.. as long as there is contact you get a point..LOL).... it's also game of endurance.. You know in the back of your mind you have so many rounds so you pace yourself. Rules are followed by all and there is a ref for your safety. Very different. You mentioned most fights end up on the ground, that's not entirely true... BUT regardless whether you agree or not how many people can you fight on the ground on one time? ONE. What if a weapon is involved? I have plenty of surveillance footage of a ground situation getting ugly because of weapons or because of multiple attackers (most people who attack, unless crazy or high usually aren't alone). As for wanting to submit or choke out an attacker because you dont necessarily want to inflict harm, how do you gauge exactly what the intent of the attacker is? You cant ask him "On a scale of 1-10 how much damage/pain/etc do you plan on inflicting on me? I'll make adjustments as needed."... Thats not reality. Not knocking your thought at all.. I get exactly what you mean.. I've been asked questions regarding that. You have to understand where we come from..where we've trained...where we've been and who we associate ourselves with. We train people across the globe that deal with REAL threats everyday... hostage situation, stabbings, executions,etc.. that's the world we came from and that's why what we train others in has to work. As for sparring we train full speed... We use protective gear, but of course for some it takes a while before they are able to do so. Of course we dont throw a hammerfist to the back of the neck at 100%. But the knife attacks, the chokes/holds, the tackles, the ground fighting, etc is all done full speed up to that student's comfort level/experience. The guy who trained me once said.. "I dont have time to teach BS. How can I knock on a mother's door and tell her that her child is dead because I taught them BS?". I think that statement sums up everything I've said here. Sorry for the long post but I wanted to address your message as best as possible.. One last thing... STRIKING STRIKING STRIKING.. Everyone is so caught up in Jiu Jitsu these days.. Every fight starts or ends or sometimes both with striking. You dont need to know 50 ways to throw a jab.. get some good solid basics on striking and with the right mindset and proper training you can do a lot of damage.. And damage, not pain, is what ends a fight. [/QUOTE]
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