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MAJOR NEWS: ATF to Allow eForm 1s and 4s – Not Likely to Enact Regulations on Trusts

Discussion in 'NFA & Class III Discussion' started by Nimaro, Aug 6, 2013.

  1. Nimaro

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    Not sure if this is a repost, if so please delete.

    http://blog.princelaw.com/2013/08/06/major-news-atf-to-allow-eform-1s-and-4s-not-likely-to-enact-regulations-on-trusts-and-other-entities/

     
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    Exciting news. I'm all for online forms. Cost me more money I'm sure since Ill end up doing even more
     
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    I hope they don't enter into rulemaking on "responsible persons", but this is a potential avenue for detractors to go after the Trust route. It's not an absolute deal breaker on e-Forms submittal though. Current security badging applicants under 49 C.F.R. rules have electronic fingerprints and photos submitted to TSCH for processing. Since it effects employment, a 6-8 week delay in processing security threat assessments would be an undue burden on the industry. An STA with e-prints and photos takes about 3-5 business days to process for approval.
     
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    If I am reading this right, it is set up for FFL and SOT holders to e-file the forms, not the person (or trust) that is applying? So for example, if I am applying for a Form 4 suppressor, the FFL doing the transfer would submit the e-file form 4, not myself?
     
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    It says FFL or individuals.
     
  6. Shadowrider

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    Yes but in the case of individuals photos and fingerprints are required. That makes it a trust only deal the way I read it.

     
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    The transferor would do the e-file, but could only do it for an individual if said individual is a Trust. Let's say I as a non-FFL were selling you my privately owned NFA item. I have a pay.gov account and you have a Trust that will be the listed tranferee. We could file your Form 4 electronically and save 6-8 weeks processing, plus avoid having your transfer go into trouble status because some of the paperwork got lost in the shuffle (I've had that happen before).
     
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    So an FFL/SOT could e-file a form 4 for a suppressor transfer to a trust and save some wait time. That is good news. Would have to use an FFL/SOT that has registered on atfonline.gov to do this and has a pay.gov account for tax stamp payment.
     
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    I set up an account to try to see if the information could be filled out. I don't think that it is up an running quite yet.
     
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    ^ Agree. I also tried and my registration apparently didn't go through. I even found a PC still running IE v.8 and still no go. Hopefully will work sometime soon.
     

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