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That all sounds very logical, but it is not practical. For the most part, these individuals that commit mass shootings, or individual shootings, have very little indications in their past that would rise to the level of "locking them up". We cannot begin incarcerating people who may become violent in the future. However, in most cases, the individuals have exhibited the potential to commit violence. The current background checking system does a poor job of identifying those types of folks, especially the ones with mental issues of a minor, but potentially serious, problem. The guy here in OKC that did a shooting at a local Louie's restaurant a couple of years ago is a good example. He should not have had access to a firearm, but how do we stop that without "infringing" upon his rights? Not everyone should have access to firearms or sharp instruments.
We used to have a system where folks that were a danger to themselves or society were sent to institutions where they were given care, and 3 squares a day.
Because of the liberals, those facilities were closed and those folk are now living in tents on our streets and underpasses begging for money at intersections.
How do we fix this?
 

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Good idea to be armed to defend yourself, however as much as we preach here, the majority of folks will not be armed. Students in school will not be armed. Concert goers in Las Vegas will not be armed. The women in this instance were no armed, and most likely never would be. So the question remains, should everyone be allowed access to firearms?
Those not armed in your descriptions were denied the ability to be armed by the restrictions to those venues? Folks at Vegas were not allowed to be armed by the function they were attending. If the Asian women were allowed to be armed, the first one or two may have been killed in a surprise attack that couldn't have been prevented, but the rest would have been warned at the different locations most likely.
I saw that the teachers in Ok bill that allows the ability to carry guns in the classroom passed and is moving forward in the legislature. This same situation that occurred in the Asian shooting could happen in our schools with the Asian lady's and the Hispanics/White person that were shot and injured might just occur here. Armed teachers with the correct training could mitigate the carnage vs the other school shootings where they were slaughtered with no defense.
One might be surprised how many guns are in frat and sorority houses on college campuses these days by students that don't wish to become a statistic.
 

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How exactly did 'the liberals' close those facilities?
A liberal-created failure that goes entirely ignored is the left’s harmful agenda for society’s most vulnerable people—the mentally ill.

Eastern State Hospital, built in 1773 in Williamsburg, Virginia, was the first public hospital in America for the care and treatment of the mentally ill. Many more followed. Much of the motivation to build more mental institutions was to provide a remedy for the maltreatment of mentally ill people in our prisons.

According to professor William Gronfein at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis, by 1955 there were nearly 560,000 patients housed in state mental institutions across the nation. By 1977, the population of mental institutions had dropped to about 160,000 patients.

Starting in the 1970s, advocates for closing mental hospitals argued that because of the availability of new psychotropic drugs, people with mental illness could live among the rest of the population in an unrestrained natural setting.

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According to a 2013 Wall Street Journal article by Dr. E. Fuller Torrey, founder of the Treatment Advocacy Center, titled “Fifty Years of Failing America’s Mentally Ill,” shutting down mental hospitals didn’t turn out the way advocates promised.

Several studies summarized by the Treatment Advocacy Center show that untreated mentally ill are responsible for 10 percent of homicides (and a higher percentage of the mass killings). They are 20 percent of jail and prison inmates and more than 30 percent of the homeless.

We often encounter these severely mentally ill individuals camped out in libraries, parks, hospital emergency rooms, and train stations, and sleeping in cardboard boxes. They annoy passersby with their sometimes intimidating panhandling.

The disgusting quality of life of many of the mentally ill makes a mockery of the lofty predictions made by the advocates of shutting down mental institutions and transferring their function to community mental health centers, or CMHCs.

Torrey writes:

The evidence is overwhelming that this federal experiment has failed, as seen most recently in the mass shootings by mentally ill individuals in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., and Tucson, Ariz. It is time for the federal government to get out of this business and return the responsibility, and funds, to the states.

Getting the federal government out of the mental health business may be easier said than done.

A 1999 Supreme Court ruling in the case of Olmstead v. L.C. held that under the Americans with Disabilities Act, individuals with mental disabilities have the right to live in an integrated community setting rather than in institutions.

The Department of Justice defined an integrated setting as one “that enables individuals with disabilities to interact with non-disabled persons to the fullest extent possible.” Though some mentally ill people may have benefited from this ruling, many others were harmed—not to mention the public, which must put up with the behavior of the mentally ill.

Torrey says it has now become politically correct to claim that this federal program failed because not enough centers were funded and not enough money was spent. But that’s not true. Torrey says:

Altogether, the annual total public funds for the support and treatment of mentally ill individuals is now more than $140 billion. The equivalent expenditure in 1963 when President John F. Kennedy proposed the [community mental health centers] program was $1 billion, or about $10 billion in today’s dollars. Even allowing for the increase in U.S. population, what we are getting for this 14-fold increase in spending is a disgrace.

The dollar cost of this liberal vision of deinstitutionalization of mentally ill people is a relatively small part of the burden placed on society.

Many innocent people have been assaulted, robbed, and murdered by mentally ill people. Businesspeople and their customers have had to cope with the nuisance created by the mentally ill.

The police response to misbehavior and crime committed by the mentally ill is to arrest them. Thus, they are put in jeopardy of mistreatment by hardened criminals in the nation’s jails and prisons.

Worst of all is the fact that the liberals who engineered the shutting down of mental institutions have never been held accountable for their folly.

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I was gonna say how do you know, but going to refrain from that question because I don't know. :hot:


Full and honest disclosure ... I have never been to one. In fact, I have never had even a regular message and have zero desire to.

But speaking of prostitutes ...

Back when I was in college in Southern California, I was asked to interview to be on the "Dating Game". The question they asked me, was would I ever pay for a prostitute? Didn't even think ... I replied that I prefer to hunt for my meat and if I had to buy it? I would buy it in a grocery store.

Didn't make the cut.
 

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