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<blockquote data-quote="Freedom@AnyCost" data-source="post: 2269337" data-attributes="member: 29628"><p>WessonOil, you may well be THE MOST LEGALISTIC PERSON I've ever carried on a discussion with, and I've talked to many. </p><p></p><p>I sincerely hope this is just a debate tactic you are using to manipulate less intelligent people into believing they have no Avenue available to them at the polling station to effect change; and not something you actually believe. Either way, shameful. </p><p></p><p>If it is the latter, Do you seriously think I would publicly call someone out for misrepresenting a process if I was not myself familiar with it? I even provided you with a link to the election board contact information!!! Holy smokes, the rigitity of some people's thinking never ceases to amaze me. </p><p></p><p>The machine will not accept the ballot?? Give it to a human and raise a stink if they try to manipulate you to do something that impunes your integrity AND, coincidentally, the law! </p><p></p><p>I have a charge card often rejected by "machines". The little "magnetic strip thingy" on the back is worn out. Guess what happens, a human has to manually key the numbers. It is an inconvenience for everyone involved. So too is a hand written protest vote on a ballot. And that Sir, is the beauty of the write-in protest vote and one of many reasons it will gain national attention and effect change in our archaic election statutes if done en mass. </p><p></p><p>If we were ever presented with a ballot measure asking which firearms our state wishes to ban in order to be in compliance with a hypothetical new national gun control initiative and there were two boxes to check (all handguns or all long guns), sounds like you will have us all check a box so the machine doesn't reject our ballot!! Me, I'll writ "none of the above" on my ballot, announce my vote loudly to everyone present, then light the ballot on fire and hold it high over my head so everyone can watch it burn up until the point I am Tazed prior to being beaten and stuffed in the back of a the paddy wagon stationed at the polling station for rabel rousers like me. </p><p></p><p>This legalistic rule based mindset (a strong characteristic of the German Culture where many early Americans immigrated from) is how otherwise good people wound up incinerating their neighbors in ovens. For some people, rules are rules and must be followed at all cost. That is a mindset I just don't get. Imagine if our founders had thought that way! This way of thinking is very dangerous. </p><p></p><p>"Withhold our tax payments to the Crown, ridiculous - it is against the rules!". At least all that good tea wouldn't have gone to waste in the Boston Harbor I suppose.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Freedom@AnyCost, post: 2269337, member: 29628"] WessonOil, you may well be THE MOST LEGALISTIC PERSON I've ever carried on a discussion with, and I've talked to many. I sincerely hope this is just a debate tactic you are using to manipulate less intelligent people into believing they have no Avenue available to them at the polling station to effect change; and not something you actually believe. Either way, shameful. If it is the latter, Do you seriously think I would publicly call someone out for misrepresenting a process if I was not myself familiar with it? I even provided you with a link to the election board contact information!!! Holy smokes, the rigitity of some people's thinking never ceases to amaze me. The machine will not accept the ballot?? Give it to a human and raise a stink if they try to manipulate you to do something that impunes your integrity AND, coincidentally, the law! I have a charge card often rejected by "machines". The little "magnetic strip thingy" on the back is worn out. Guess what happens, a human has to manually key the numbers. It is an inconvenience for everyone involved. So too is a hand written protest vote on a ballot. And that Sir, is the beauty of the write-in protest vote and one of many reasons it will gain national attention and effect change in our archaic election statutes if done en mass. If we were ever presented with a ballot measure asking which firearms our state wishes to ban in order to be in compliance with a hypothetical new national gun control initiative and there were two boxes to check (all handguns or all long guns), sounds like you will have us all check a box so the machine doesn't reject our ballot!! Me, I'll writ "none of the above" on my ballot, announce my vote loudly to everyone present, then light the ballot on fire and hold it high over my head so everyone can watch it burn up until the point I am Tazed prior to being beaten and stuffed in the back of a the paddy wagon stationed at the polling station for rabel rousers like me. This legalistic rule based mindset (a strong characteristic of the German Culture where many early Americans immigrated from) is how otherwise good people wound up incinerating their neighbors in ovens. For some people, rules are rules and must be followed at all cost. That is a mindset I just don't get. Imagine if our founders had thought that way! This way of thinking is very dangerous. "Withhold our tax payments to the Crown, ridiculous - it is against the rules!". At least all that good tea wouldn't have gone to waste in the Boston Harbor I suppose. [/QUOTE]
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