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<blockquote data-quote="Ethan N" data-source="post: 3229794" data-attributes="member: 29267"><p>I addressed “real time” scenarios in a follow up comment. And, to be fair to me, eyewitness identification procedures would definitely be an issue in your example of someone surviving a shooting and pointing the finger at a suspect, if I understand the scenario you’re putting forward.</p><p></p><p>I would consider a guilty plea to be a recorded confession for these purposes. I did not think that was what you meant by “verified by the defense.”</p><p></p><p>I forgot that was you. <img src="/images/smilies/new/Sorry4.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":sorry4:" title="Sorry4 :sorry4:" data-shortname=":sorry4:" /></p><p></p><p>I would certainly consider that proof beyond a reasonable doubt and would agree with a a guilty verdict. Until we address the systemic problems in our criminal justice system though, I would like to see a higher and more objective evidentiary standard for the death sentence. Death is irrevocable. A wrongly-convicted person sentenced to prison can, at least in some ways, be restored.</p><p></p><p>Since the death penalty is rarely sought for rape cases without murder or attempted murder, it probably wouldn’t be an issue in the spring break case you brought up (I’m not familiar with it, so forgive me if it was actually sought). But I would like to see the death penalty sought for rape more often, and this case is definitely an interesting one. I would have some questions and concerns, but I may personally approve of a death sentence given the circumstances and evidence you outlined.</p><p></p><p>Not sure what the law says in Panama concerning intervening in a crime in progress. Pretty sure failing to intervene in most crimes is not unlawful anywhere in the US, but I would condemn those present in the most grave terms. They should be persistently shamed and ridiculed by society for the rest of their lives.</p><p></p><p>On a personal note, I feel like I should have given you more credit for being way ahead of the pack on this issue. It seems like most people are just sticking their head in the sand. I respect your views on this problem, even if we end up disagreeing on exactly how we should be handling it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ethan N, post: 3229794, member: 29267"] I addressed “real time” scenarios in a follow up comment. And, to be fair to me, eyewitness identification procedures would definitely be an issue in your example of someone surviving a shooting and pointing the finger at a suspect, if I understand the scenario you’re putting forward. I would consider a guilty plea to be a recorded confession for these purposes. I did not think that was what you meant by “verified by the defense.” I forgot that was you. :sorry4: I would certainly consider that proof beyond a reasonable doubt and would agree with a a guilty verdict. Until we address the systemic problems in our criminal justice system though, I would like to see a higher and more objective evidentiary standard for the death sentence. Death is irrevocable. A wrongly-convicted person sentenced to prison can, at least in some ways, be restored. Since the death penalty is rarely sought for rape cases without murder or attempted murder, it probably wouldn’t be an issue in the spring break case you brought up (I’m not familiar with it, so forgive me if it was actually sought). But I would like to see the death penalty sought for rape more often, and this case is definitely an interesting one. I would have some questions and concerns, but I may personally approve of a death sentence given the circumstances and evidence you outlined. Not sure what the law says in Panama concerning intervening in a crime in progress. Pretty sure failing to intervene in most crimes is not unlawful anywhere in the US, but I would condemn those present in the most grave terms. They should be persistently shamed and ridiculed by society for the rest of their lives. On a personal note, I feel like I should have given you more credit for being way ahead of the pack on this issue. It seems like most people are just sticking their head in the sand. I respect your views on this problem, even if we end up disagreeing on exactly how we should be handling it. [/QUOTE]
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