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To all the Trump haters here's some more good news for you to argue: Yes, obama had 8 years and Trump did it in less than a year.


U.S. home sales hit 11-year high, supply still tight

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. home sales increased more than expected in November, hitting their highest level in nearly 11 years, the latest indication that housing was regaining momentum after almost stalling this year.

“The greater home sales will stoke the fires for stronger economic growth next year as consumers spend more to furnish their new homes with new appliances and furniture and all the decorations and trimmings,” said Chris Rupkey, chief economist MUFG in New York.

Existing home sales surged 5.6 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.81 million units last month amid continued recovery in areas in the South ravaged by Hurricanes Harvey and Irma, and solid gains in other parts of the country.

That was the highest level since December 2006 and marked the third straight monthly rise. Economists had forecast home sales rising only 0.9 percent to a 5.52 million-unit rate in November.

Existing home sales make up about 90 percent of U.S. home sales. They rose 3.8 percent on a year-on-year basis in November. Sales in the South, which accounts for almost half of the existing homes sales market, increased 8.3 percent last month. Sales rose 6.7 percent in the Northeast and jumped 8.4 percent in the Midwest.

They, however, fell 2.3 percent in the West, which has seen an acceleration in house price increases. While the housing market is expected to continue growing next year, there are concerns that a Republican overhaul of the U.S. tax code could hurt sales at the high end of the market.

The biggest overhaul of the tax system in more than 30 years, which could be signed into law by President Donald Trump soon, will cap the deduction for mortgage interest at $750,000 in home loan value for residences bought from Jan. 1, 2018, through Dec. 31, 2025.

The cap would revert to $1 million in loan value after Dec. 31, 2025.

“We expect further increases in sales in 2018, although tax reform is likely to modestly reduce demand at the high end as well as to lower prices for high-priced homes,” said David Berson, chief economist at Nationwide in Columbus Ohio.

The report came on the heels of data this week showing homebuilder confidence vaulting to a near 18-1/2-year high in December and single-family homebuilding and permits rising in November to levels last seen in the third quarter of 2007.

Housing is expected to contribute to economic growth in the fourth quarter after being a drag for two straight quarters.

The PHLX housing index was trading higher, outperforming a broadly flat stock market. The dollar slipped against a basket of currencies. Prices for U.S. Treasuries fell.

SUPPLY SQUEEZE
Despite the recent gains, home resales remain constrained by a chronic shortage of houses at the lower end of the market, which is keeping prices elevated and sidelining some first-time buyers, who accounted for 29 percent of transactions last month.

Economists and realtors say a 40 percent share of first-time buyers is needed for a robust housing market.

The number of previously owned homes on the market dropped 9.7 percent to 1.67 million units in November from a year ago, the second lowest reading since 1999. Housing inventory has dropped for 30 straight months on a year-on-year basis.

At November’s sales pace, it would take a record low 3.4 months to exhaust the current inventory, down from 3.9 months in October. A six-month supply is viewed as a healthy balance between supply and demand.

With supply tightening, the median house price increased 5.8 percent from a year ago to $248,000 in November. That was the 69th consecutive month of year-on-year price gains. In contrast, annual wage growth has struggled to break above 2.9 percent since the 2007/09 recession ended.

The government reported on Tuesday that groundbreaking on single-family homes, which account for the largest share of the housing market, jumped 5.3 percent in November to the highest level since September 2007. Housing completions continued to lag at a rate of 1.116 million units.

Realtors estimate that the housing starts and completions rates need to be in a range of 1.5 million to 1.6 million units per month to plug the inventory gap.
 

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I'm not really sure we can assign this one to any President, especially Trump. This is more of a function of the market hitting a low in 2009-2010 + extremely low interest rates. I don't see much that Trump has done yet to alleviate the lending environment. Trump hates Dodd/Frank but most of what has been done has been very recent and not a complete reversal.
 

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I'm not really sure we can assign this one to any President, especially Trump. This is more of a function of the market hitting a low in 2009-2010 + extremely low interest rates. I don't see much that Trump has done yet to alleviate the lending environment. Trump hates Dodd/Frank but most of what has been done has been very recent and not a complete reversal.

I agree.

Especially all this talk about the stock market and so on. These trends began before Trump took office.

Trump personally has very little control over the economy. That lies with Congress for the most part.
 

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I agree.

Especially all this talk about the stock market and so on. These trends began before Trump took office.

Trump personally has very little control over the economy. That lies with Congress for the most part.

Actually Trump is largely responsible for the Stock market IMO. We are talking about two different things. The stock market is driven by fundamentals AND speculation. Most of the feel good speculation came from Trump becoming president, rightly so, because the previous administration through bureaucracy was inhibitory towards organic growth. Especially, if you were a small business. The Housing market, for the most part, is based on the fundamentals of supply and demand and demand is growing due to supply and pricing being low, with interest rates being extremely low too. I will say that the housing market would've bounced back quicker had a lot of the lending requirements been more reasonable.
 

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Rates have been at record lows and have been hurting people for a long time. They have started to rebound now Trump is delivering on his campaign promises. A normal economic cycle takes nowhere near 9 years to occur and would have happened immediately if Obama wasn't elected the first time. In fact, things started to improve until Obama was elected then it all went downhill from there. I feel sorry for the kids that have been raised under his socialist agenda and ideals and don't really understand economics and the power the President actually has to influence markets and economies.

The type of recovery we are seeing would have never happened with another liberal in office, especially Clinton.
 

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Rates have been at record lows and have been hurting people for a long time. They have started to rebound now Trump is delivering on his campaign promises. A normal economic cycle takes nowhere near 9 years to occur and would have happened immediately if Obama wasn't elected the first time. In fact, things started to improve until Obama was elected then it all went downhill from there. I feel sorry for the kids that have been raised under his socialist agenda and ideals and don't really understand economics and the power the President actually has to influence markets and economies.

The type of recovery we are seeing would have never happened with another liberal in office, especially Clinton.

How do record low rates hurt home buyers? Please explain in detail.
 

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How do record low rates hurt home buyers? Please explain in detail.
That's not exactly what I said.

Record low rates hurt the average saver who puts money in an interest bearing account at their bank or credit union. These rates don't even keep up with inflation. Those are the people who are hurt by low rates.

If the low rates were the main driver to the housing recovery, the rebound would have happened when the rates were at bottom under obama. For the current housing sales increase, we have low, but increasing rates, and a lot of optimism with home buyers in their own economic position. If people aren't optimistic about their future, they will not be buying homes or anything other than essentials.
 

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That's not exactly what I said.

Record low rates hurt the average saver who puts money in an interest bearing account at their bank or credit union. These rates don't even keep up with inflation. Those are the people who are hurt by low rates.

If the low rates were the main driver to the housing recovery, the rebound would have happened when the rates were at bottom under obama. For the current housing sales increase, we have low, but increasing rates, and a lot of optimism with home buyers in their own economic position. If people aren't optimistic about their future, they will not be buying homes or anything other than essentials.

Honestly, what's more important to the common man? The small amount of cash he has in savings? or putting equity in a house at a low rate? Either way, having a home that you own is MUCH more important for retirement on a broad scale.

The Housing market rebound DID happen under Obama lol.... it just didn't happen like we wanted it to and in some ways it created steady growth over the back end of the administration. It even states in the article you posted, hence the comment of 30 months of continuous supply declines.

Here's a little chart for you....

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/new-home-sales

Apply the 10Y to the data point. The sales have steadily increased since ~2011.


Look, you boys can go tell it on the mountain every time the sun rises and give Trump credit for it, but you really should educate yourselves on the fundamentals of these issues and give credit where it's due. Trump is doing a lot of good things IMO, but you can't pin the housing market on him.
 

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