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<blockquote data-quote="ProBusiness" data-source="post: 688580" data-attributes="member: 6145"><p>i assume you are hunting out of Norman. i don't think there are any serious quail in the state. there use to be some out west but my friends are telling me harder and harder to find. were are talking public and private land with permission not some 2000 acre private refuge.</p><p></p><p>this leaves dove which is good opening day and then you can find them if you have the time and experience and this is your hobby. but dove season after opening day can be a real hit and miss deal. if u have to drive very far it becomes a large time factor and more work.</p><p></p><p>pheasant is in kansas and you need family, contacts, group of guys to make that work or travel with 3-4 guys to s. dakota and the driving and hunt takes about all week.</p><p></p><p>many guys have realized there is not much game around so they have gone to skeet and trap. also they have gone do deer which there is a bunch. </p><p></p><p>i have shot shotguns all my life and have pumps, semi, o/u, side by side.</p><p></p><p>not all shotguns are the same and you will find that you shoot better with one gun than another. u really can't go by brand but by which gun allows you to hit the target. a shotgun must fit you. this can mean adjusting the stock for length and comp height. if u are shooting a gun that does not fit you u are wasting your time. at 30 yards as much as 1/2 of your pattern is off the target. </p><p></p><p>realize that what you are buying is a "pattern" to knock down your target. with a shotgun it does not matter how pretty or new it is but whether or not you can hit what you are aming at. </p><p></p><p>some guns throw a better pattern than others due to design, fit, back boring, longer forcing comes, chokes, pointability, and balance. a o/u browning citori is number one on my list. buy a browning citori in good shape, don't abuse it, shoot it for years, and get what you paid for it. browning citoris are back bored which means you get a better pattern. i can hit skeet and birds soooo much better with my o/u than all my other guns it is almost wierd, but it is what it is. </p><p></p><p>a beretta 390 and 391 semi have crome lined barrels which means that the shot does not deform going down the barrel and the pattern is much better. a beretta semi auto 391 urika with a 26 or 28 barrel is a great gun for dove, pheasant, and skeet and trap. a 390 which is an older model is also a great gun. </p><p></p><p>remington 870 wingmaster, not the cheap and very heavy express is also a gun that has been a great success in the field for a long time. it points great and people take a lot of game home with them. do not buy an express for their barrels are not quality controlled and thus create poor shot patterns. very, very hard to drive 6 hours and pay for a few hotel nights and means and see that u are missing your birds due to buying a cheap shotgun. </p><p></p><p>whateverr u do, buy a gun with screw in chokes. if you think you might go from hunting to skeet, do not buy a barrel less tan 28". if u buy a 24" barrel and want to sell it u will find very few buyers. now i am talking upland hunting not turkey. turkey is a totally diff subject.</p><p></p><p>remington 1100 and 1187 are very hard to beat. price is fair, dependable, been around forever, gunsmiths know them, parts are available, can resell them. </p><p></p><p>to find a gun that you shoot well u might have to buy, shoot and trade a few before u find the one. synthetic aren't real popular with shotgunners. for one thing the stock is harder to adjust for fit. </p><p></p><p>if u want to know more about fit give me a buzz and i will hook u up with someone in your area. u may be able to buy a gun off the rack and it fits u oK. BUT maybe not and it a shotgun does not fit u u are WASTING YOUR TIME. </p><p></p><p>OH, IF YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT SKEET U WILL NOT BE HAPPY WITH A PUMP, TRAP OK BUT NOT SKEET. ALSO A SEMI ABSORB MUCH MORE RECOIL THAN A PUMP OR O/U AND RECOIL IN A SHOTGUN IS A MAJOR FACTOR. </p><p></p><p>GOOD LUCK.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ProBusiness, post: 688580, member: 6145"] i assume you are hunting out of Norman. i don't think there are any serious quail in the state. there use to be some out west but my friends are telling me harder and harder to find. were are talking public and private land with permission not some 2000 acre private refuge. this leaves dove which is good opening day and then you can find them if you have the time and experience and this is your hobby. but dove season after opening day can be a real hit and miss deal. if u have to drive very far it becomes a large time factor and more work. pheasant is in kansas and you need family, contacts, group of guys to make that work or travel with 3-4 guys to s. dakota and the driving and hunt takes about all week. many guys have realized there is not much game around so they have gone to skeet and trap. also they have gone do deer which there is a bunch. i have shot shotguns all my life and have pumps, semi, o/u, side by side. not all shotguns are the same and you will find that you shoot better with one gun than another. u really can't go by brand but by which gun allows you to hit the target. a shotgun must fit you. this can mean adjusting the stock for length and comp height. if u are shooting a gun that does not fit you u are wasting your time. at 30 yards as much as 1/2 of your pattern is off the target. realize that what you are buying is a "pattern" to knock down your target. with a shotgun it does not matter how pretty or new it is but whether or not you can hit what you are aming at. some guns throw a better pattern than others due to design, fit, back boring, longer forcing comes, chokes, pointability, and balance. a o/u browning citori is number one on my list. buy a browning citori in good shape, don't abuse it, shoot it for years, and get what you paid for it. browning citoris are back bored which means you get a better pattern. i can hit skeet and birds soooo much better with my o/u than all my other guns it is almost wierd, but it is what it is. a beretta 390 and 391 semi have crome lined barrels which means that the shot does not deform going down the barrel and the pattern is much better. a beretta semi auto 391 urika with a 26 or 28 barrel is a great gun for dove, pheasant, and skeet and trap. a 390 which is an older model is also a great gun. remington 870 wingmaster, not the cheap and very heavy express is also a gun that has been a great success in the field for a long time. it points great and people take a lot of game home with them. do not buy an express for their barrels are not quality controlled and thus create poor shot patterns. very, very hard to drive 6 hours and pay for a few hotel nights and means and see that u are missing your birds due to buying a cheap shotgun. whateverr u do, buy a gun with screw in chokes. if you think you might go from hunting to skeet, do not buy a barrel less tan 28". if u buy a 24" barrel and want to sell it u will find very few buyers. now i am talking upland hunting not turkey. turkey is a totally diff subject. remington 1100 and 1187 are very hard to beat. price is fair, dependable, been around forever, gunsmiths know them, parts are available, can resell them. to find a gun that you shoot well u might have to buy, shoot and trade a few before u find the one. synthetic aren't real popular with shotgunners. for one thing the stock is harder to adjust for fit. if u want to know more about fit give me a buzz and i will hook u up with someone in your area. u may be able to buy a gun off the rack and it fits u oK. BUT maybe not and it a shotgun does not fit u u are WASTING YOUR TIME. OH, IF YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT SKEET U WILL NOT BE HAPPY WITH A PUMP, TRAP OK BUT NOT SKEET. ALSO A SEMI ABSORB MUCH MORE RECOIL THAN A PUMP OR O/U AND RECOIL IN A SHOTGUN IS A MAJOR FACTOR. GOOD LUCK. [/QUOTE]
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