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Discussion in 'NFA & Class III Discussion' started by gfercaks33, Jan 31, 2016.

  1. Gabriel42

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    Only thing that matters is permanent changes. If you retain the ability to put it to the originally approved configuration then nothing is needed. If you make a permanent change such as selling the approved configuration upper then the ATF suggests you contact them to make note of the change.

    3 locations are permissible; frame, receiver or barrel.

    My AR's are marked on the barrel. When the short uppers are on the lowers they are marked in accordance with appropriate CFR's. When a 16+" upper is on one of the lowers, there isn't any markings since it isn't in a NFA configuration.

    Downside is that I can't borrow someone else's upper or build a new one without engraving. I intend to have the lowers marked but in no hurry.
     
  2. tRidiot

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    Interesting.... I'm just not understanding why you would mark an upper when it's not serialized?
     
  3. gfercaks33

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    If the lower is marked multi I won't have to have the caliber I build it in marked just the trust name?

    I'm back to the 300blk vs 5.56 choice
     
  4. Gabriel42

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    Because it is an allowed place and I wanted it to be less obtrusive than plastering it on the side of the lower. If the short barrels aren't attached there isn't a need for marking.

    *small point of clarification, ATF doesn't consider the AR upper receiver as a "receiver" for marking purposes.
     
  5. Mad Professor

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    In my opinion, the caliber the firearm is registered as has to be engraved in the firearm somewhere frame, receiver, barrel, etc.

    Look at 479.102 (2iii) in this document.

    https://www.atf.gov/resource-center...n-guidebook-firearms-verificationpdf/download
     
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    Most barrels are marked with caliber and twist, this is sufficient. Only thing that is needed to be added to the lower of an AR is Ind/trust name and city, st.
     
  7. gfercaks33

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    Ok I have a couple more questions/scenarios

    I'm unsure of situation 4-7, I don't want to do anything that could get myself in trouble

    1) own a full rifle (upper and lower) and a full sbr. -legal-
    2) own a full rifle, sbr, and an additional short barreled upper or rifle upper . -legal-
    3) own a rifle, sbr, sbr upper, assembled rifle lower. -illegal-
    4) own a rifle, sbr, sbr upper, Stripped lower. ?
    5) own a rifle, sbr, stripped lower. ?
    6)own a rifle, sbr, assembled rifle lower. ?
    7)own a rifle, sbr, sbr upper, assembled rifle lower with a stripped upper (no barrels). ?
     
  8. POKE1911

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    FWIW... I am not an attorney. From my understanding 3,4,7 would be illegal (whether you own a full rifle or not), the rest are fine. I believe the problem arises when you have an assembled SBR that is not registered - or - can easily assemble an unregistered SBR w/o dissembling another rifle. A full length rifle is fine to keep with the SBR and additional uppers as long as it remains assembled. If you are going to be in a situation in which you have a registered SBR, multiple short uppers, as well as, an additional lower(s) (assembled or stripped) - Just throw a pistol buffer ($10-$20) on the lower(s) until you are ready to finish your build.

    In all honesty, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a pistol lower for every additional short upper you have. You can easily put together a pistol lower for under $150 - under $100 if you look for bargains or used... You would be covered, also you'd have another fully working firearm if SHTF or wanted another range toy.
     
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    I think in the scheme of things I will only have 1 spare upper (300 blk) and I have an Omni lower I'll throw a pistol tube on and keep it on the up and up.

    I like the idea of a 9mm sbr but I think if I go that route I will buy a dedicated 9mm lower instead of having to worry about a magwell block.
     
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    Love 9mm sbr. I was going to build and a dedicated 9mm sbr AR platform then I found a good deal on an MPX. It has AR features but it's different. Just waiting on a stamp. Also waiting on a stamp for on a can for it. I'm hoping the sbr stamp makes it before Christmas but that's a dream at this point. the week of Christmas is 6 months from when I sent it in.
     

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