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<blockquote data-quote="casualplinker" data-source="post: 1631269" data-attributes="member: 19192"><p><u>The most successful people <em>I </em>know <em>DID </em>go to college</u>. It may be correct <em>in your mind </em>that a college education is overated. And for some folks, this may be true. BUT, this is the USA and people have choices, if they <em>choose </em>to go to college just for the sake of it, then that's cool. In fact, if they choose to major in Poetry or Art or History, why that's cool too. Who can say there is little value in a liberal arts education? You? Me? No; only those who choose to seek and attain it. There may be lots of people with degrees working fast-food or other service type of jobs, but there are also many people who have attained good, well paying jobs simply because they have <u>a </u>degree too. While not all of us can get into Harvard or Yale, or even OU or OSU right out of high school, there are always alternative routes to take; community colleges hold to the open-access principle, for example. Over 50% of enrolled college students in the US today are at community colleges. Many of those students will learn that <em>they can learn </em>and will go on to 4-year schools and attain something they thought they couldn't have. In Oklahoma today, most community colleges are right around the $100 to $110 mark per credit hour. That's a bargain if compared to other states especially. You can go to a community college then on to a regional 4-year school like Southwestern or UCO and get a Bachelor's degree for right around $16,000 total. You can hardly buy a good used car for that. Is the continuance of higher ed and the opportunity it gives worth that much? I argue so. If you take away access, you may take away opportunity and a chance at a better life. You wanna get into a situation where some "higher authority" decides who can and canot seek higher education in this country? I don't.</p><p></p><p>As far as education aimed at a specific career field, like medicine or technology, read up on the numbers, do a little research and you'll find out that the literature suggests that many of tomorrow's jobs have not even been invented yet. Example, the proliferation of technology and it's impact on how we communicate. Just a few short years ago, communication via media such as this forum or FACEBOOK were not even around! The advent and rise of the machine (PC's) has changed the way we communicate, advertise, buy and sell, and live.</p><p></p><p>I well remember pre-social media days. Now, many, and maybe even most people rely on technology <em>that wasn't around </em>just a few years ago to communicate their thoughts. It took critical thinking skills to develop that kind of technology; I say that a good higher ed experience is as much about learning to think like that, <em>critical thinking</em>, that it is about "specific job training".</p><p></p><p>Now, having said all that, of course we still need mechancis, plumbers, electricians, sheet metal workers, cops, firemen, truck drivers etc. Let the individual make the choice. If they choose to give college a shot, and decide it's not for them , then is the dollars spent on learning that fact a waste? I don't think it is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="casualplinker, post: 1631269, member: 19192"] [U]The most successful people [I]I [/I]know [I]DID [/I]go to college[/U]. It may be correct [I]in your mind [/I]that a college education is overated. And for some folks, this may be true. BUT, this is the USA and people have choices, if they [I]choose [/I]to go to college just for the sake of it, then that's cool. In fact, if they choose to major in Poetry or Art or History, why that's cool too. Who can say there is little value in a liberal arts education? You? Me? No; only those who choose to seek and attain it. There may be lots of people with degrees working fast-food or other service type of jobs, but there are also many people who have attained good, well paying jobs simply because they have [U]a [/U]degree too. While not all of us can get into Harvard or Yale, or even OU or OSU right out of high school, there are always alternative routes to take; community colleges hold to the open-access principle, for example. Over 50% of enrolled college students in the US today are at community colleges. Many of those students will learn that [I]they can learn [/I]and will go on to 4-year schools and attain something they thought they couldn't have. In Oklahoma today, most community colleges are right around the $100 to $110 mark per credit hour. That's a bargain if compared to other states especially. You can go to a community college then on to a regional 4-year school like Southwestern or UCO and get a Bachelor's degree for right around $16,000 total. You can hardly buy a good used car for that. Is the continuance of higher ed and the opportunity it gives worth that much? I argue so. If you take away access, you may take away opportunity and a chance at a better life. You wanna get into a situation where some "higher authority" decides who can and canot seek higher education in this country? I don't. As far as education aimed at a specific career field, like medicine or technology, read up on the numbers, do a little research and you'll find out that the literature suggests that many of tomorrow's jobs have not even been invented yet. Example, the proliferation of technology and it's impact on how we communicate. Just a few short years ago, communication via media such as this forum or FACEBOOK were not even around! The advent and rise of the machine (PC's) has changed the way we communicate, advertise, buy and sell, and live. I well remember pre-social media days. Now, many, and maybe even most people rely on technology [I]that wasn't around [/I]just a few years ago to communicate their thoughts. It took critical thinking skills to develop that kind of technology; I say that a good higher ed experience is as much about learning to think like that, [I]critical thinking[/I], that it is about "specific job training". Now, having said all that, of course we still need mechancis, plumbers, electricians, sheet metal workers, cops, firemen, truck drivers etc. Let the individual make the choice. If they choose to give college a shot, and decide it's not for them , then is the dollars spent on learning that fact a waste? I don't think it is. [/QUOTE]
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