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<blockquote data-quote="younggundavid" data-source="post: 2148526" data-attributes="member: 28977"><p>I don't completely agree with "Cue"... but I definitely liked one of his point's I feel he was trying to make. I'm greatful beyond words... to have a govenor(our first ever female governor no less) confidant enough in the citizens of Oklahoma to sign into law a bill that allows open carry. I also agree that maybe "easing" the citizens of Oklahoma into getting used to armed citizens standing in lines with them at the grocery store or at the fuel pump, restraunt etc. to be a necessary inconvience on our part. I wouldn't be surprised if 30 percent of the people of this state have no idea that there is an Open Carry law on the books. </p><p> I put myself in the same position at an Arby's with a OC on me and I see a completely different outcome. I see the manager being as stubborn as me. So when I refuse to leave or conceal I see the manager calling the cop's. Now I'm making a seen in front of my kid and all of the other patron's of the Arby's who may have already been uneasy with me to begin with. They start to think I'm a jerk and I shouldn't be carrying with a license anyways. The Police show up and ask me outside. They ask for my weapon and my permit. They spend several minutes on a full background check to come back on me. They hand me back my weapon and my license "while making a note of our little get together on my record". Then they ask the store manager what he'd like to do. The store manager replies he wants me to leave the premsis. So I end up leaving the establishment anyways... with my tail tucked between my legs. A new little side note of my encounter with the police in my "file". Not to mention the GLOATING satisfaction on the Arby's managers face as he makes his imaginary check mark in the air as another win for him. And of course the notion of the "bad taste" of Open Carry I've left in the mind's of the other patrons and any new bystanders who have happened by at this point. I'm so grateful to know there is a way an encounter like the one that occured can go rather smoothly.. I just know if I were to try something like that.. just how it would back fire on me...lol. </p><p> Friday the 15th of march was the first time since Nov 1st that I actually saw a fellow Open Carry guy with a holstered gun on his hip for all to see. Thats 4 and a half months to see my first. Not sure with so many permits out there .. why it's taken so long to see another OC. I have had a CC permit since the begining. I think I waited maybe 90 days.. just to let the lines to the gun classes shorten some before I applied. I've had past girlfriends, family members and friends all get their permits. None of them have ever carried in public. I myself, since I recieved my first CC permit have only carried in public once. I put a shoulder holster rig on and then a jacket and then a heavy coat. I buttoned up and went to the local convienent store for a soda. It was the only time in 18 years of being licensed that I've ever carried. Since Nov 1st, I now carry virtually every time I'm in public or leave the house. I think my biggest fear from carrying all of those years. Was my concern of someone who was not a "trained professional" seeing me in public and getting a glimpse of my weapon and reporting me for it. I was afraid I would get in trouble and possibly lose my license. All because I wasn't "properly" concealed. Now... I don't worry about it at all. I carry a gun in a holster on my belt which is fitted in such a way.. that most all of my T shirts cover it. Except when I reach up or when I go to my pockets to get some change. SO I guess I don't exactly Open Carry... but I now carry without fear of getting discovered. My father also carries now in the same manner. I can't say anything about past girlfriends that I talked into getting their licenses but I know my mother... who hadn't shot a gun maybe more than twice in her 61 years.... spent most of December and January training with a gun. Finally in February she has taken the course, passed the written with a 100 and is getting ready to carry concealed in her purse. I hope to see more of you out there in the future and hope more of Oklahoma get to see you. I wonder where you are all at... ?!?!?!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="younggundavid, post: 2148526, member: 28977"] I don't completely agree with "Cue"... but I definitely liked one of his point's I feel he was trying to make. I'm greatful beyond words... to have a govenor(our first ever female governor no less) confidant enough in the citizens of Oklahoma to sign into law a bill that allows open carry. I also agree that maybe "easing" the citizens of Oklahoma into getting used to armed citizens standing in lines with them at the grocery store or at the fuel pump, restraunt etc. to be a necessary inconvience on our part. I wouldn't be surprised if 30 percent of the people of this state have no idea that there is an Open Carry law on the books. I put myself in the same position at an Arby's with a OC on me and I see a completely different outcome. I see the manager being as stubborn as me. So when I refuse to leave or conceal I see the manager calling the cop's. Now I'm making a seen in front of my kid and all of the other patron's of the Arby's who may have already been uneasy with me to begin with. They start to think I'm a jerk and I shouldn't be carrying with a license anyways. The Police show up and ask me outside. They ask for my weapon and my permit. They spend several minutes on a full background check to come back on me. They hand me back my weapon and my license "while making a note of our little get together on my record". Then they ask the store manager what he'd like to do. The store manager replies he wants me to leave the premsis. So I end up leaving the establishment anyways... with my tail tucked between my legs. A new little side note of my encounter with the police in my "file". Not to mention the GLOATING satisfaction on the Arby's managers face as he makes his imaginary check mark in the air as another win for him. And of course the notion of the "bad taste" of Open Carry I've left in the mind's of the other patrons and any new bystanders who have happened by at this point. I'm so grateful to know there is a way an encounter like the one that occured can go rather smoothly.. I just know if I were to try something like that.. just how it would back fire on me...lol. Friday the 15th of march was the first time since Nov 1st that I actually saw a fellow Open Carry guy with a holstered gun on his hip for all to see. Thats 4 and a half months to see my first. Not sure with so many permits out there .. why it's taken so long to see another OC. I have had a CC permit since the begining. I think I waited maybe 90 days.. just to let the lines to the gun classes shorten some before I applied. I've had past girlfriends, family members and friends all get their permits. None of them have ever carried in public. I myself, since I recieved my first CC permit have only carried in public once. I put a shoulder holster rig on and then a jacket and then a heavy coat. I buttoned up and went to the local convienent store for a soda. It was the only time in 18 years of being licensed that I've ever carried. Since Nov 1st, I now carry virtually every time I'm in public or leave the house. I think my biggest fear from carrying all of those years. Was my concern of someone who was not a "trained professional" seeing me in public and getting a glimpse of my weapon and reporting me for it. I was afraid I would get in trouble and possibly lose my license. All because I wasn't "properly" concealed. Now... I don't worry about it at all. I carry a gun in a holster on my belt which is fitted in such a way.. that most all of my T shirts cover it. Except when I reach up or when I go to my pockets to get some change. SO I guess I don't exactly Open Carry... but I now carry without fear of getting discovered. My father also carries now in the same manner. I can't say anything about past girlfriends that I talked into getting their licenses but I know my mother... who hadn't shot a gun maybe more than twice in her 61 years.... spent most of December and January training with a gun. Finally in February she has taken the course, passed the written with a 100 and is getting ready to carry concealed in her purse. I hope to see more of you out there in the future and hope more of Oklahoma get to see you. I wonder where you are all at... ?!?!?! [/QUOTE]
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