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<blockquote data-quote="TerryMiller" data-source="post: 2152421" data-attributes="member: 7900"><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Actually, the above bolded and underlined part is not true. It is much less.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This is a link to a U.S. GAO (Government Accounting Office) report on the issue of CC in America. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><a href="http://www.gao.gov/assets/600/592552.pdf" target="_blank">GAO Report on U.S. Concealed Carry</a></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If you go to page 81 of the 90 pages, it lists Oklahoma as of December 2011 of having 122,000 permit holders in a population of 2,710,000.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Here is a report from the OSBI regarding permits in 2012.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><a href="http://www.ok.gov/osbi/documents/2012%20SDA%20Annual%20Report%20Final.pdf" target="_blank">OSBI SDA Annual Report</a></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Page 3 of that report shows just under 40,000 applications, although that may include both new applications and renewals. So, as of December 2012, Oklahoma has roughly 160,000 permit holders.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So, instead of 30% of the population being concealed carry, it is actually less than .60%, or definitely less than even 1%. (That is, unless my percentage calculations are incorrect.)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Now, with that in mind, it is any wonder that the "average" citizen in Oklahoma might be "uncomfortable" with someone carrying openly? That is just one reason that I will not open carry.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">With all that said, I have an additional comment with regards to the original poster's comments. See here:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">"We finished eating, and despite me telling myself to just leave, i walked up to the counter and asked to speak to the manager. He comes out carrying a 3 ring binder that I could immediately tell was was store/management policies.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">-"Sir I eat here regularly and have done so before while carrying with no problems, its important that you understand as a manager you can ask me to leave, but unless the store owner or Arbys deem the store a gun free zone that Im within my legal rights to be here, and if you choose to not allow me to be here while legally carrying, me and my family will eat elsewhere"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">-Manager-"Yea thats what im doin now is actually looking over the stores policy on guns,, you know, its just one of them things,, that just becuz you can, doesnt mean you should"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">My wifes jaw dropped to the floor.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">"Sir unfortunately for you, your opinion doesnt override my right to carry a firearm and protect my family if evil should present itself.""</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This was a circumstance of confronting the manager a second time with regards to his open carry choice. <strong><u>To some</u></strong>, that second encounter <strong><u>might have left</u></strong> the manager with the impression of the OP being "obnoxious."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TerryMiller, post: 2152421, member: 7900"] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]Actually, the above bolded and underlined part is not true. It is much less. This is a link to a U.S. GAO (Government Accounting Office) report on the issue of CC in America. [URL="http://www.gao.gov/assets/600/592552.pdf"]GAO Report on U.S. Concealed Carry[/URL] If you go to page 81 of the 90 pages, it lists Oklahoma as of December 2011 of having 122,000 permit holders in a population of 2,710,000. Here is a report from the OSBI regarding permits in 2012. [URL="http://www.ok.gov/osbi/documents/2012%20SDA%20Annual%20Report%20Final.pdf"]OSBI SDA Annual Report[/URL] Page 3 of that report shows just under 40,000 applications, although that may include both new applications and renewals. So, as of December 2012, Oklahoma has roughly 160,000 permit holders. So, instead of 30% of the population being concealed carry, it is actually less than .60%, or definitely less than even 1%. (That is, unless my percentage calculations are incorrect.) Now, with that in mind, it is any wonder that the "average" citizen in Oklahoma might be "uncomfortable" with someone carrying openly? That is just one reason that I will not open carry. With all that said, I have an additional comment with regards to the original poster's comments. See here: "We finished eating, and despite me telling myself to just leave, i walked up to the counter and asked to speak to the manager. He comes out carrying a 3 ring binder that I could immediately tell was was store/management policies. -"Sir I eat here regularly and have done so before while carrying with no problems, its important that you understand as a manager you can ask me to leave, but unless the store owner or Arbys deem the store a gun free zone that Im within my legal rights to be here, and if you choose to not allow me to be here while legally carrying, me and my family will eat elsewhere" -Manager-"Yea thats what im doin now is actually looking over the stores policy on guns,, you know, its just one of them things,, that just becuz you can, doesnt mean you should" My wifes jaw dropped to the floor. "Sir unfortunately for you, your opinion doesnt override my right to carry a firearm and protect my family if evil should present itself."" This was a circumstance of confronting the manager a second time with regards to his open carry choice. [B][U]To some[/U][/B], that second encounter [B][U]might have left[/U][/B] the manager with the impression of the OP being "obnoxious." [/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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