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Officer fired, Lt. demoted ...

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  1. Annie

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    Glad the hear this. Thanks for posting it.
     
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    Honestly, after my recent experience with an Oklahoma City officer, I am downright giddy over this. I have always had the utmost respect for LE and the job they do, but that doesn't mean they get to be bullies just because they want to. The old man stopped recommending a job in LE to any kid who asked him 15 years ago. Said the job -- and it had everything to do with how brass was changing how training was handled -- changing and not in a good way. Appears he was right (God, I hate it when that happens. Lol).

    I SO wanted that piece of shit to cuff me, dammit. Bastard figured out he was about to step off in it, I guess, and backed away. ****er. That is the second time in my life I've practically dared a police officer to arrest me. I'm 2 for 2.
     
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    and in short order the union will step to the rescue. An out of state arbitrator will order him reinstated with back pay like nothing ever happened.
     
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    Maybe, maybe not. I know a Bethany officer who avoided felony charges by "retiring" and rumor has it he also had to agree to not seek another job in LE. Of course, I'm also unsure as to whose job it became to make sure he abided by that. Maybe CLEET took his certs from him??

    In a perfect world he would have lost his pension AND gone to jail. Still, a small victory is better than none at all.

    And I believe there is a MWC officer who is in jail now for an "unrighteous" shooting a few years ago. Not to mention, IIRC, the City's FOP dropped Holtzclaw like a hot potato, did they not??

    Having "the union" as the mainstay of your defense, if you find yourself in trouble, seems a bit risky in this day and age.
     
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    Comments: Officer Payne was acting outside his authority but there was certainly no criminal intent. Nurse Wubble would have done better to passively comply, perhaps offering a simple statement explaining her position. She was nearly combative and this can escalate an arrest to resisting arrest where someone might be injured. Gray (Patient) was a victim, not a perpetrator, so there was no exigency and no basis for a warrant. I’ve read some reports but do not understand the rational for demoting the shift supervisor (Lieutenant) unless Payne was acting under his specific orders. I could not find out if Wubble was Fingerprinted, which would leave her with a permanent record with the FBI. If so, and I was her Attorny, this would be added to the list of injuries sustained by my client. Interesting....


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    Ok ...

    1. Given the fact that Payne was an officer involved in a chase that resulted in a third party (Wubel's patient) being injured I believe there is a VERY strong case for believing Payne was acting in his own best interest, which is clearly outside the scope if his commission.

    2. The nurse DID state why she could not legally allow Payne to draw blood from the patient several times. She went so far as to get a hospital administrator on the phone who ALSO stated why allowing Payne to do a blood draw would be illegal and negligent on both the nurse's and hospital's part. She did not "become combative" until Payne laid hands on her. I'm not saying I would have screamed like she did, but then again, I'm not a screamer. Things would have gotten deathly quiet at that point. I can honestly say I would not have made his attempt to handcuff me easy on him, though.

    3. He's a VERY lucky man it did not go that way (someone getting injured). Unlawful arrest WITH injury would be a Mother Lode case for even a first year law student.

    4. There was no warrant, IIRC. There was an officer digging for something to save his own hide, who had a supervisor telling him to arrest the nurse in his way. THAT is why the Lt. needs to be fired, also, IMO.

    5. See No. 4. Payne was acting under direct order of his supervisor, whom he was on the phone with, to arrest the nurse.

    6. I'm pretty sure that nurse's regulations being what they are, it wouldn't be hard for the FBI to find her if they really wanted to, fingerprints or not.

    7. Attorney. Sorry, grammar nazi got the best of me. Fingerprinting is not an "injurious" activity on the part of LE. Sorry, dude. The judge would toss that before the ink was dry on Petition.
     
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