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<blockquote data-quote="Ethan N" data-source="post: 3235802" data-attributes="member: 29267"><p>Yeah I don’t agree with gatekeeping the carry of firearms based on someone’s physical abilities when they are capable of safely handling the gun. It’s an individual’s choice. And discouraging someone from carrying because they might have slower reaction times than usual doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. The most vulnerable people have the most to gain from carrying a gun for self defense.</p><p></p><p>I described a perfect candidate for carrying a rifle for self-defense and you brought up your imagined reasons he might not have been proficient with a rifle as an excuse for saying a rifle wasn’t the right weapon for him to carry. Performance under stress and reaction times are just as relevant to carrying a pistol as a rifle, so I don’t know why you even brought those up. Most people who carry a pistol don’t have a clue how they would perform under stress. I never saw any evidence his reaction times were unusually slow for an adult. You suggested carrying a .22 pistol (which is what he carried when he went out, since it was easiest to manage), but I already said he wasn’t capable of using pistols effectively because of the grip required. Recoil only added to his inability to maintain a proper grip on a pistol, so a .22 was not a solution. You brought up bulk and weight. Why do you assume that was a barrier to him carrying a rifle? He was perfectly capable of slinging a rifle around for a couple of hours. You seem to be determined to imagine the worst possible scenario, which indicates you may be starting with your preferred conclusion and filtering all evidence and arguments to fit what you’ve already decided. If that’s not what’s going on, I apologize. It’s just hard to see any open-mindedness in what you’re saying. You don’t have to change your mind, but no one has ever been helped by not being <em>open</em> to having their mind changed.</p><p></p><p>When it comes down to it, as long as someone has chosen a carry weapon based on a good-faith evaluation of what weapon is best suited to their skills and abilities, I will never disparage them for carrying that weapon for self-defense just because they don’t happen to fit the model of a concealed pistol carrier. I know you said you think carrying a rifle should be <em>allowed</em>, but saying a rifle is never the best option for self-defense carry for anyone, regardless of their abilities is ignorance, arrogance, or both. I’m not 100% sure that’s what you’re saying, but it sure sounds like it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ethan N, post: 3235802, member: 29267"] Yeah I don’t agree with gatekeeping the carry of firearms based on someone’s physical abilities when they are capable of safely handling the gun. It’s an individual’s choice. And discouraging someone from carrying because they might have slower reaction times than usual doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. The most vulnerable people have the most to gain from carrying a gun for self defense. I described a perfect candidate for carrying a rifle for self-defense and you brought up your imagined reasons he might not have been proficient with a rifle as an excuse for saying a rifle wasn’t the right weapon for him to carry. Performance under stress and reaction times are just as relevant to carrying a pistol as a rifle, so I don’t know why you even brought those up. Most people who carry a pistol don’t have a clue how they would perform under stress. I never saw any evidence his reaction times were unusually slow for an adult. You suggested carrying a .22 pistol (which is what he carried when he went out, since it was easiest to manage), but I already said he wasn’t capable of using pistols effectively because of the grip required. Recoil only added to his inability to maintain a proper grip on a pistol, so a .22 was not a solution. You brought up bulk and weight. Why do you assume that was a barrier to him carrying a rifle? He was perfectly capable of slinging a rifle around for a couple of hours. You seem to be determined to imagine the worst possible scenario, which indicates you may be starting with your preferred conclusion and filtering all evidence and arguments to fit what you’ve already decided. If that’s not what’s going on, I apologize. It’s just hard to see any open-mindedness in what you’re saying. You don’t have to change your mind, but no one has ever been helped by not being [I]open[/I] to having their mind changed. When it comes down to it, as long as someone has chosen a carry weapon based on a good-faith evaluation of what weapon is best suited to their skills and abilities, I will never disparage them for carrying that weapon for self-defense just because they don’t happen to fit the model of a concealed pistol carrier. I know you said you think carrying a rifle should be [I]allowed[/I], but saying a rifle is never the best option for self-defense carry for anyone, regardless of their abilities is ignorance, arrogance, or both. I’m not 100% sure that’s what you’re saying, but it sure sounds like it. [/QUOTE]
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