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Copays (cheap ones) are there because if you don't have them people with make meaningless appointments, talk the doctors ear off, and take up their time.
 

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My last office visit on Dec 27th (cash pay) was $94.

All my medical care, including PT and Rxs, and my eye surgery was "free". (I met my medical maximum last year in May when I had my ADCF.) My co-pay today at the eye doctor today was $40. The 2 prescriptions I picked up from the pharmacy today came to $6.30. The 2 prescriptions I picked up for the old man came to another $7.00 and some change. I have no room to complain. But that won't always stop me! :blush::hey3:
 

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You mean like going to the ER....

Honest to God, no offense, but the next time I go to an ER it will be because I'm unconscious ... or I truly think I'm dying! I'm only half teasing! I got really good care at the ER when I thought I was having a heart attack. It was the other patients that drove me up the wall. OMG, I dunno how the **** ... well, YOU know ... :-/
 

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I only have Medicare Part A (hospital only), so everything else is out of pocket (sweetie has A and B). I avoid hospitals like the plague.

So far though, my annual costs are less than the annual cost of part B (which is $116 mo as of this year). Usually a lot less, though my new Doc went crazy with tests in 2016 and it came within 75% or so. :drunk2:
 

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Well, it's not as simple as packing up and leaving, you know, and abandoning everything you've known, your family and your country, just on the principle of wanting single-payer healthcare.

I tend to agree that we should get rid of and abolish the VA.

Everyone who is enrolled in VA Healthcare has bought and paid for that care with their service to this country. It is part of their pay. It is part of the cost of defending this country. It is part of the cost of war.

No one is entitled to healthcare they have not paid for themselves. Healthcare is not a right. No one has the right to force anyone else to pay for someone else's healthcare.

No one owes me a car. I am not entitled. If I want a car, I must pay for it.

No one owes me a house. I am not entitled. If I want a house, I must pay for it.

No one owes me groceries. I am not entitled. If I want to eat, I must pay for food.

Ad Infinitum.
 

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Yes sir, it is. The biggest problem I see with the system we have now is corporate hospitals and insurance companies are squeezing health care workers to death. I've seen what gets billed versus what insurance companies and Medicare contract to pay. To tell you the God's honest truth I have no idea how a doctor in a "private" practice can afford to keep the lights on.

Nothing is free. Not even single payer healthcare.

The squeeze comes from competing financial interests between Stockholders, Medical Professionals including Nursing and nowadays Added Costs for Hospitalists; High Paid Administration, Salaries and Benefits for Ancillary Personnel; Increasing Overhead Costs for Space, Pharmaceuticals, Supplies, Medical Equipment and Liability Insurance; Third Party Insurances Payers Drawing Off Profits for Their Stockholders; and Government Trying to Reduce Payments While Demanding Compliance With an Ever Increasing Number of Regulatory Requirements.

What it comes down to is that only so many wolves can feed on a carcass. Total Services and the Quality of Services are Reduced and the Patient becomes incidental to the system and almost an afterthought.

HEY! WHAT THE HELL IS THAT INJURED PERSON DOING IN OUR EMERGENCY ROOM!!!!


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Everyone who is enrolled in VA Healthcare has bought and paid for that care with their service to this country. It is part of their pay. It is part of the cost of defending this country. It is part of the cost of war.

No one is entitled to healthcare they have not paid for themselves. Healthcare is not a right. No one has the right to force anyone else to pay for someone else's healthcare.

No one owes me a car. I am not entitled. If I want a car, I must pay for it.

No one owes me a house. I am not entitled. If I want a house, I must pay for it.

No one owes me groceries. I am not entitled. If I want to eat, I must pay for food.

Ad Infinitum.

The problem is, we in this country have decided, or allowed others to decide, that everyone DOES have a right to all of those things, regardless of whether they earn them or not. Now even cell phones are considered a basic standard necessity, and they are well on their way to determining that broadband internet is, as well.

It's the downward spiral of trying to make sure everyone has everything.
 

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Everyone who is enrolled in VA Healthcare has bought and paid for that care with their service to this country. It is part of their pay. It is part of the cost of defending this country. It is part of the cost of war.

No one is entitled to healthcare they have not paid for themselves. Healthcare is not a right. No one has the right to force anyone else to pay for someone else's healthcare.

No one owes me a car. I am not entitled. If I want a car, I must pay for it.

No one owes me a house. I am not entitled. If I want a house, I must pay for it.

No one owes me groceries. I am not entitled. If I want to eat, I must pay for food.

Ad Infinitum.

"VA Healthcare has bought and paid for that care with their service to this country. "

Sounds like an entitlement to me. If they want it, they should pay for it. the vast majority of folks in the military have never even seen an active war zone or been injured in service.

If an American serviceman is injured during the course of his duty, then he is entitled to free healthcare as long as it is to treat the related injuries sustained while in service, sure.

I think it would be better to grant them an enhanced, free medicare card in that case. so that they can choose to visit whatever doctor they wish, instead of having to use the VA system.

as far as your comments on healthcare, you already pay for others healthcare everytime you visit an emergency room. That's why it is so god awful expensive; because you're basically paying extra to subsidize all the people without insurance the hospital has to pay for. So while no one may be 'entitled' to healthcare per se, it would be much cheaper if we as a society instituted a national health insurance scheme. It would be cheaper in premiums and cost.

As far as food, i think we as human beings have a christian obligation there. No one should starve to death in this country, and usually there are underlying reasons behind such food insecurity that go beyond 'i'm lazy and don't want to work.'

I feel like some folks have a disconnect from reality, folks who have never known real hardship. Maybe they've spent their entire careers in the military, which basically acts as a second set of parents. Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty paid your siphon, gave you healthcare, a roof over your head and unrivaled job security and retirement benefits. Or maybe you take advantage of Social Security and Medicare, socialist programs instituted under FDR. Do you think you've 'worked' for these things? In the same way a Canadian works for his 'free' healthcare and our 'free' roads. Nothing is free, but sometimes cost sharing is more economical on a larger scale and when it provides benefits to all.

The reality, especially in rural parts of this country, is that you can work hard and still not have enough to retire, afford healthcare or food. This is particularly true in the case of people with mental/psychological or physical disabilities.
 
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The problem is, we in this country have decided, or allowed others to decide, that everyone DOES have a right to all of those things, regardless of whether they earn them or not. Now even cell phones are considered a basic standard necessity, and they are well on their way to determining that broadband internet is, as well.

It's the downward spiral of trying to make sure everyone has everything.

I think a big problem in this country is cronyism. You have monopolies that buy politicians to prevent competition, which is not real capitalism. That's why broadband is so expensive and crap in this country, because for a vast number of Americans, there are no alternative options.
 

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