OSA Single payer apologists.... get in here...

[cjjtulsa]

As far as food, i think we as human beings have a christian obligation there.

And if one is not a "Christian"? I have no "obligation", Christian or otherwise, to toil for someone else's family.

Or maybe you take advantage of Social Security and Medicare, socialist programs instituted under FDR. Do you think you've 'worked' for these things?

Yes. I see my bi-monthly payment listed on every pay stub. While I currently take advantage of neither, at some point I'll damned sure want back what I've been forced to put into it.

 

[JD8]

"VA Healthcare has bought and paid for that care with their service to this country. "

Sounds like an entitlement to me. If they want it, they should pay for it. the vast majority of folks in the military have never even seen an active war zone or been injured in service.

If an American serviceman is injured during the course of his duty, then he is entitled to free healthcare as long as it is to treat the related injuries sustained while in service, sure.

I think it would be better to grant them an enhanced, free medicare card in that case. so that they can choose to visit whatever doctor they wish, instead of having to use the VA system.

as far as your comments on healthcare, you already pay for others healthcare everytime you visit an emergency room. That's why it is so god awful expensive; because you're basically paying extra to subsidize all the people without insurance the hospital has to pay for. So while no one may be 'entitled' to healthcare per se, it would be much cheaper if we as a society instituted a national health insurance scheme. It would be cheaper in premiums and cost.

As far as food, i think we as human beings have a christian obligation there. No one should starve to death in this country, and usually there are underlying reasons behind such food insecurity that go beyond 'i'm lazy and don't want to work.'

I feel like some folks have a disconnect from reality, folks who have never known real hardship. Maybe they've spent their entire careers in the military, which basically acts as a second set of parents. Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty paid your siphon, gave you healthcare, a roof over your head and unrivaled job security and retirement benefits. Or maybe you take advantage of Social Security and Medicare, socialist programs instituted under FDR. Do you think you've 'worked' for these things? In the same way a Canadian works for his 'free' healthcare and our 'free' roads. Nothing is free, but sometimes cost sharing is more economical on a larger scale and when it provides benefits to all.

The reality, especially in rural parts of this country, is that you can work hard and still not have enough to retire, afford healthcare or food. This is particularly true in the case of people with mental/psychological or physical disabilities.

While this is all complete bullchit.......definitely some moral exculpation in there as D'Souza would say..... this doesn't address anything to the inefficiency of the government taking over healthcare. You're talking about "hardship" here when a government in a single payer system elsewhere put 50,000 procedures on hold. "Cost sharing" is absolutely worthless if the administrator is bloated and incompetent.

 

[Snake]

"VA Healthcare has bought and paid for that care with their service to this country. "

Sounds like an entitlement to me. If they want it, they should pay for it. the vast majority of folks in the military have never even seen an active war zone or been injured in service.

If an American serviceman is injured during the course of his duty, then he is entitled to free healthcare as long as it is to treat the related injuries sustained while in service, sure.

I think it would be better to grant them an enhanced, free medicare card in that case. so that they can choose to visit whatever doctor they wish, instead of having to use the VA system.

as far as your comments on healthcare, you already pay for others healthcare everytime you visit an emergency room. That's why it is so god awful expensive; because you're basically paying extra to subsidize all the people without insurance the hospital has to pay for. So while no one may be 'entitled' to healthcare per se, it would be much cheaper if we as a society instituted a national health insurance scheme. It would be cheaper in premiums and cost.

As far as food, i think we as human beings have a christian obligation there. No one should starve to death in this country, and usually there are underlying reasons behind such food insecurity that go beyond 'i'm lazy and don't want to work.'

I feel like some folks have a disconnect from reality, folks who have never known real hardship. Maybe they've spent their entire careers in the military, which basically acts as a second set of parents. Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty paid your siphon, gave you healthcare, a roof over your head and unrivaled job security and retirement benefits. Or maybe you take advantage of Social Security and Medicare, socialist programs instituted under FDR. Do you think you've 'worked' for these things? In the same way a Canadian works for his 'free' healthcare and our 'free' roads. Nothing is free, but sometimes cost sharing is more economical on a larger scale and when it provides benefits to all.

The reality, especially in rural parts of this country, is that you can work hard and still not have enough to retire, afford healthcare or food. This is particularly true in the case of people with mental/psychological or physical disabilities.

What the hell are you babbling about. Maybe you heard the saying Freedom isn't free? Well it isn't. I bet IF you picked up a rifle to help defend this country you'd want that healthcare. Since you probably couldn't hack military life perhaps you should remain silent.

 

[TerryMiller]

I feel like some folks have a disconnect from reality, folks who have never known real hardship. Maybe they've spent their entire careers in the military, which basically acts as a second set of parents. Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty paid your siphon, gave you healthcare, a roof over your head and unrivaled job security and retirement benefits. Or maybe you take advantage of Social Security and Medicare, socialist programs instituted under FDR. Do you think you've 'worked' for these things? In the same way a Canadian works for his 'free' healthcare and our 'free' roads. Nothing is free, but sometimes cost sharing is more economical on a larger scale and when it provides benefits to all.

I would remind you, Sir, that Social Security is based on the money taken from our wages over the years in addition to a matching amount billed to our employers. So, yes, we paid for that. Sadly, the government long ago decided to "tap into" that fund to where there isn't much of anything there any longer. The ones that are "not working" for the Social Security benefits are those that are taking the disability payments, something that FDR didn't have put into the system, that Congress added later.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Let's not forget that Social Security is unconstitutional. Medicare is unconstitutional. Medicaid is unconstitutional. All these "populist" schemes were put in place to garner votes. Also, take note of how these systems have expanded so far beyond the small bit of an unconstitutional dependency upon government into a Ponzi scheme used to finance the ever expanding government. J. Wellington Wimpy would be proud. He promised to pay for his hamburgers on Tuesday(or was to Thursday?), but that day never came as far as I can remember. There will be the day that Uncle Sam won't have the cash or ability to print or borrow more to meet the commitment.

Sad thing is, many of us who were forced to pay into these systems had(have) nothing left to save in support of our own retirement. We're not talking the approximately 7% of our pay. It is nearly 15%. The "half" paid for by the employers is on behalf of the employees. My wife and I could have done much better if we had that 15% to put aside for ourselves.

Woody

 

[BReeves]

"VA Healthcare has bought and paid for that care with their service to this country. "

Sounds like an entitlement to me. If they want it, they should pay for it. the vast majority of folks in the military have never even seen an active war zone or been injured in service.

If an American serviceman is injured during the course of his duty, then he is entitled to free healthcare as long as it is to treat the related injuries sustained while in service, sure.

I think it would be better to grant them an enhanced, free medicare card in that case. so that they can choose to visit whatever doctor they wish, instead of having to use the VA system.

as far as your comments on healthcare, you already pay for others healthcare everytime you visit an emergency room. That's why it is so god awful expensive; because you're basically paying extra to subsidize all the people without insurance the hospital has to pay for. So while no one may be 'entitled' to healthcare per se, it would be much cheaper if we as a society instituted a national health insurance scheme. It would be cheaper in premiums and cost.

As far as food, i think we as human beings have a christian obligation there. No one should starve to death in this country, and usually there are underlying reasons behind such food insecurity that go beyond 'i'm lazy and don't want to work.'

I feel like some folks have a disconnect from reality, folks who have never known real hardship. Maybe they've spent their entire careers in the military, which basically acts as a second set of parents. Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty paid your siphon, gave you healthcare, a roof over your head and unrivaled job security and retirement benefits. Or maybe you take advantage of Social Security and Medicare, socialist programs instituted under FDR. Do you think you've 'worked' for these things? In the same way a Canadian works for his 'free' healthcare and our 'free' roads. Nothing is free, but sometimes cost sharing is more economical on a larger scale and when it provides benefits to all.

The reality, especially in rural parts of this country, is that you can work hard and still not have enough to retire, afford healthcare or food. This is particularly true in the case of people with mental/psychological or physical disabilities.

What a bunch of BS.. I have to ask, did you ever serve? If not, you have no right to an opinion.

 

[Poke78]

J. Wellington Wimpy would be proud. He promised to pay for his hamburgers on Tuesday(or was to Thursday?), but that day never came as far as I can remember. There will be the day that Uncle Sam won't have the cash or ability to print or borrow more to meet the commitment.

Sad thing is, many of us who were forced to pay into these systems had(have) nothing left to save in support of our own retirement. We're not talking the approximately 7% of our pay. It is nearly 15%. The "half" paid for by the employers is on behalf of the employees. My wife and I could have done much better if we had that 15% to put aside for ourselves.

Woody

1st bold area: Wimpy's line was "I will gladly pay next Tuesday for a hamburger today." Therefore, "next Tuesday" never arrives because that's what he keeps promising.

2d bold area: Preach it!

 

[Glocktogo]

I feel like some folks have a disconnect from reality, folks who have never known real hardship. Maybe they've spent their entire careers in the military, which basically acts as a second set of parents. Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty paid your siphon, gave you healthcare, a roof over your head and unrivaled job security and retirement benefits. Or maybe you take advantage of Social Security and Medicare, socialist programs instituted under FDR. Do you think you've 'worked' for these things? In the same way a Canadian works for his 'free' healthcare and our 'free' roads. Nothing is free, but sometimes cost sharing is more economical on a larger scale and when it provides benefits to all.

The reality, especially in rural parts of this country, is that you can work hard and still not have enough to retire, afford healthcare or food. This is particularly true in the case of people with mental/psychological or physical disabilities.

Have you never looked at the withholdings on a paycheck? Those are TAX WITHOLDINGS on wages you WORKED for. FDR didn't give anyone anything. He TOOK from wage earners to implement an inefficient bureaucracy that didn't exist prior to that.

You have a most bizarre way of looking at things. Most bizarre indeed.

 

[Frederick]

What a bunch of BS.. I have to ask, did you ever serve? If not, you have no right to an opinion.

That's an odd way to work a democracy if I've ever heard one. Have you ever seen the movie "starship troopers?"

Soldiers and other servicemen are public servants.

 

[Dave70968]

"VA Healthcare has bought and paid for that care with their service to this country. "

Sounds like an entitlement to me. If they want it, they should pay for it. the vast majority of folks in the military have never even seen an active war zone or been injured in service.

Sounds like you don't know what an options contract is.

If an American serviceman is injured during the course of his duty, then he is entitled to free healthcare as long as it is to treat the related injuries sustained while in service, sure.

...which is what they get unless they serve long enough to qualify for retirement.

Sounds to me like there's an awful lot of stuff you don't understand.

What a bunch of BS.. I have to ask, did you ever serve? If not, you have no right to an opinion.

If you're not in the medical profession, you have no right to an opinion on the subject. If you've not run for office, you have no right to an opinion on politics.

To borrow your words, "what a bunch of BS." Everybody has the right to an opinion. Everybody also has the right to consider the opinions of others--or not--with as much weight as they deem fit. Deciding that others' opinions don't merit your consideration doesn't mean they don't have the right to them, though.