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Project Appleseed Rifle Clinic - Wichita, KS Oct 13-14

Discussion in 'Firearm Training' started by Lomshek, Feb 17, 2018.

  1. Lomshek

    Lomshek Marksman

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    How good are you? A Rifleman can put 5 rounds into a postage stamp at 25 yards prone unsupported. No bag, no bipod, no bench.
    This is the size a target at 500 yards would appear. That’s what we’ll teach you.

    Sign up online before they sell out!

    Oct 13-14 at Air Capital Gun Club near Wichita, KS. .22LR only at ACGC (no centerfire)! Here's a map to the range.

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    Notice - Smith & Wesson 15/22 .22LR rifles have been temporarily banned from Appleseed while S&W and Appleseed work to determine the cause of malfunctioning rifles that have created safety concerns. That may or may not change before this event.
    All .22LR conversions and non-S&W .22LR dedicated uppers are allowed.
    Email me at roger@tailwindcyclists.com for the latest status.


    If you’ve wanted to learn the finer points of putting accurate rounds on target this is for you. We’ll spend two days learning how to shoot the rifle from standing, seated, kneeling and prone with just a sling to help steady the rifle. No bipods, bags or benches (although we do make any allowances needed for a person's physical limitations).

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    We’ll do our shooting at 25 yards using reduced size targets to simulate distances of up to 500 yards. There’s no point walking back and forth to far away targets or worrying about wind and drop until you can actually put rounds on a simulated size target. The 500 yard target is a 1" square (the size of a postage stamp).

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    Here's the link to Appleseed's national calendar if you can't make it to this one.

    Here’s Appleseed's homepage where you can read all about Appleseed. Lucky Gunner wrote up a review of Appleseed and a follow up of lessons learned that do a good job of telling you what to expect.

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    The entry fee is $60 for adults, $20 for kids under 18 and $20 for all military (Active, Guard & Reserves) and police and elected officials.

    We’ll fire about 600 rounds over two days. The class is held rain, snow or shine as long as it’s safe to drive. Dress accordingly.

    ACGC is an unshaded gravel range. Bring a pop up tent or three for shade and comfortable shooting mats. We'll be spending a lot of time sitting, kneeling and laying on gravel.

    Because of the close distance lots of folks use .22LR rifles like Ruger’s 10/22. Centerfire rifles like the AR-15, FAL or any other military pattern rifle are also welcome at most events (some ranges are .22LR only). Any rifle and any sighting system is allowed but the course of fire is designed around removable magazine fed semi-autos.

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    Kids and new(er) shooters are welcome but this is not the best class to learn how to shoot a rifle for the first time. Students should at least know how to load, unload, clear a minor malfunction and must be safe standing up and sitting down with a rifle.

    Here are some helpful links.

    Online registration

    Instructor sign up - If you're an Appleseed instructor we'd love to have your help!
    (You must be logged into the Appleseed forum as an instructor to use this link)

    How to prepare for an Appleseed

    Appleseed website

    Appleseed forum

    Hope you can make it,

    Roger Lomshek
    KS Appleseed Coordinator
     
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    Great Program! Thanks for posting this!
     
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    I've been to a couple Appleseeds. Highly recommend it.
     
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    Worth it!

    I'd recommend a 10/22 with tech sites. Much easier and cheaper to choot
     
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    Great program for sure been to four myself.
     
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    Is it practical to do one of these with a bolt gun? I've got an M44 training rifle with peep sight but only one mag. I also have a 10/22, but it has an optic, and the williams peep sight I have for it really sucks. It seems like the M44 would be more fun to use for this but every picture I see of the Appleseed events has all semi-autos.
     
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    Appleseed allows all rifle types BUT the course of fire is designed around a semi-auto with detachable magazines made for quick reloads. If you haven't done an Appleseed before you'll probably struggle with a bolt gun and moreso with one whose magazine was not meant to be quickly swapped out for a speed (relatively fast anyway) reload.

    To give you an idea the course of fire for Stage 2 of the AQT (Appleseed Qualification Test) has you begin standing with an empty rifle.
    On the start signal you drop to seated or kneeling, load a 2 round magazine in the rifle, fire 2 rounds at the first target, reload with an 8 round mag, fire 3 more rounds at the first target then fire 5 rounds at the second target. You have 55 seconds to do all that.

    Most folks until they're pretty practiced struggle to finish that with a semi-auto.

    You definitely need more than one mag no matter what rifle you bring. The bare minimum you need is two mags but you'll be much happier with 3 or 4 so that you can prep a few mags during lulls.

    If you have a 10/22 that's been modified with Tech Sights or has a scope and maybe an extended mag release it would be much better suited for Appleseed. AR's and other military pattern rifles in rimfire or centerfire are, of course, ideally suited for Appleseed.
     
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    Bumping this thread just a few weeks from the Pittsburg, KS shoot and adding a Wichita shoot.
     
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    Holy necro post batman....
     
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    Interested, but I only see one date in October for Oklahoma. Any other dates in the works?
     

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