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<blockquote data-quote="tulsamal" data-source="post: 1336673" data-attributes="member: 571"><p>I've had my CCW for something like 10 years now. I'm not the type that EVER gets pulled over so I've never had anything to add. Until a few months ago.</p><p></p><p>My CCW instructor actually told us to produce our CCW if stopped even if we weren't carrying. He thought it was worthwhile because it showed the cop that we had gone through the background checks, etc. He claimed it would lead to a "better attitude" from the cop.</p><p></p><p>I live in Craig County, OK which is a very rural county. I own 90 acres about 5 miles SW of Vinita. One evening I had to drive alone from my property to Vinita to pick up my 12 year old son from Boy Scouts. I took a lightly traveled county road that leads to Vinita, speed limit of 45. I came around a sweeping corner and started up a hill. Looked up and saw an OK Highway Patrol car parked on the opposite shoulder. I glanced at my speedometer and saw I was going right at 45 or even less. As I drove by, I waved at him. (Hey, this is a friendly place.)</p><p></p><p>After I went by, he turned on his lights and came after me. I was baffled but it had to be me he was after since there was nobody else in either direction. I pulled over, got out my DL, insurance card, and my CCW. I was carrying my usual S&W M296 in a Safepacker on my right hip. The Highway Patrolman walked up past my window and ignored me. Went to the front of the car and looked at it. Then came over to my side of the car. Stayed about ten feet out and put his hand on his gun. I was sitting there holding out my DI and permit. He just looked at me then slowly came forward and took them, all the while keeping that gun hand ready to go. I was trying to be non-threatening at this point and still wondering why I got pulled over in the first place.</p><p></p><p>He saw the permit and asked where the gun was. I pointed at my right hip. He wanted me to get out of the car but leave the gun behind. So I told him I could slide my belt out of the loops and remove it. He agreed but leaned in close to watch with hand wrapped around his gun. I slowly put it on the floor. (It's not like you can do some kind of fast draw from a closed Safepacker in the first place!)</p><p></p><p>When he had first stopped me, it was just starting to be dusk. As I got out of the car, it was actually getting dark. He got me by the arm and took me in between our cars. In the beams of his headlights. He then had me put my arms behind my back and he clamped my wrists together with one hand and patted me down with the other. Very slowly and carefully from top to bottom. He "discovered" the car alarm thing in my pocket and had me remove it. He found my two Spyderco's and "escorted" me by the arm back to my car to put them on the driver's seat. Then he had me get into the cruiser with him.</p><p></p><p>He asked me where I lived. I pointed and said about two miles away. I told him where I was going and why. And finally why I got stopped in the first place. He told me that one of my headlights was out! It wasn't even dark when I got stopped. If I had been driving an older car, he wouldn't have even known since they wouldn't have been turned on. But those "always on" headlights were working. I told him it wasn't even my car. It was my wife's commuting car, it just happened to be in the back of the garage so I took it. And I told him I watched her drive out every day and the lights were working this morning.</p><p></p><p>He wrote me up a warning. I took it, he told me to go back to my car and be on my way.</p><p></p><p>1) So much for being treated "better" if you have a CCW! I was treated like a very dangerous person every second of the way. I could be wrong, but it seemed like I got searched just because of the CCW. If I had just been Joe Average with no gun, I would have gotten a quick chat at my window, then the warning, and gone.</p><p></p><p>2) It's frustrating when you get the full blown "this is what we learned in CLEET school" thing in this situation. I don't give a rat's ass whether "it's what we are taught" or "it's about officer safety." You pull over a car for something minor like a missing light. You run the tag before you ever get out of the car. It comes back registered to an address two miles away. Registered to a family with ZERO tickets or other "wants or warrants" of any kind. IMO.... at that point you should put on your happy face and act at least a little bit like a neighbor rather than a prison guard.</p><p></p><p>3) And it was even more frustrating when it was the OHP. I expect the occasional badge heavy city or county cop. But the OHP are supposed to be the professionals. I would like a little more "protect and serve" rather than "put your hands behind your back so that I can pin them in place and search you here by the road as your neighbors drive by!"</p><p></p><p>If LEO's "are confused" by why some civilians don't "trust" them, this sort of incident is an example. I was treated as an adversary rather than as a valued member of the community. I'm 48 years old, ex-Army, hadn't had a drink in months, was driving an obvious "family car" (VW Golf TDI)..... I just can't see how my "profile" fit any excuse for the full court press.</p><p></p><p>Gregg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tulsamal, post: 1336673, member: 571"] I've had my CCW for something like 10 years now. I'm not the type that EVER gets pulled over so I've never had anything to add. Until a few months ago. My CCW instructor actually told us to produce our CCW if stopped even if we weren't carrying. He thought it was worthwhile because it showed the cop that we had gone through the background checks, etc. He claimed it would lead to a "better attitude" from the cop. I live in Craig County, OK which is a very rural county. I own 90 acres about 5 miles SW of Vinita. One evening I had to drive alone from my property to Vinita to pick up my 12 year old son from Boy Scouts. I took a lightly traveled county road that leads to Vinita, speed limit of 45. I came around a sweeping corner and started up a hill. Looked up and saw an OK Highway Patrol car parked on the opposite shoulder. I glanced at my speedometer and saw I was going right at 45 or even less. As I drove by, I waved at him. (Hey, this is a friendly place.) After I went by, he turned on his lights and came after me. I was baffled but it had to be me he was after since there was nobody else in either direction. I pulled over, got out my DL, insurance card, and my CCW. I was carrying my usual S&W M296 in a Safepacker on my right hip. The Highway Patrolman walked up past my window and ignored me. Went to the front of the car and looked at it. Then came over to my side of the car. Stayed about ten feet out and put his hand on his gun. I was sitting there holding out my DI and permit. He just looked at me then slowly came forward and took them, all the while keeping that gun hand ready to go. I was trying to be non-threatening at this point and still wondering why I got pulled over in the first place. He saw the permit and asked where the gun was. I pointed at my right hip. He wanted me to get out of the car but leave the gun behind. So I told him I could slide my belt out of the loops and remove it. He agreed but leaned in close to watch with hand wrapped around his gun. I slowly put it on the floor. (It's not like you can do some kind of fast draw from a closed Safepacker in the first place!) When he had first stopped me, it was just starting to be dusk. As I got out of the car, it was actually getting dark. He got me by the arm and took me in between our cars. In the beams of his headlights. He then had me put my arms behind my back and he clamped my wrists together with one hand and patted me down with the other. Very slowly and carefully from top to bottom. He "discovered" the car alarm thing in my pocket and had me remove it. He found my two Spyderco's and "escorted" me by the arm back to my car to put them on the driver's seat. Then he had me get into the cruiser with him. He asked me where I lived. I pointed and said about two miles away. I told him where I was going and why. And finally why I got stopped in the first place. He told me that one of my headlights was out! It wasn't even dark when I got stopped. If I had been driving an older car, he wouldn't have even known since they wouldn't have been turned on. But those "always on" headlights were working. I told him it wasn't even my car. It was my wife's commuting car, it just happened to be in the back of the garage so I took it. And I told him I watched her drive out every day and the lights were working this morning. He wrote me up a warning. I took it, he told me to go back to my car and be on my way. 1) So much for being treated "better" if you have a CCW! I was treated like a very dangerous person every second of the way. I could be wrong, but it seemed like I got searched just because of the CCW. If I had just been Joe Average with no gun, I would have gotten a quick chat at my window, then the warning, and gone. 2) It's frustrating when you get the full blown "this is what we learned in CLEET school" thing in this situation. I don't give a rat's ass whether "it's what we are taught" or "it's about officer safety." You pull over a car for something minor like a missing light. You run the tag before you ever get out of the car. It comes back registered to an address two miles away. Registered to a family with ZERO tickets or other "wants or warrants" of any kind. IMO.... at that point you should put on your happy face and act at least a little bit like a neighbor rather than a prison guard. 3) And it was even more frustrating when it was the OHP. I expect the occasional badge heavy city or county cop. But the OHP are supposed to be the professionals. I would like a little more "protect and serve" rather than "put your hands behind your back so that I can pin them in place and search you here by the road as your neighbors drive by!" If LEO's "are confused" by why some civilians don't "trust" them, this sort of incident is an example. I was treated as an adversary rather than as a valued member of the community. I'm 48 years old, ex-Army, hadn't had a drink in months, was driving an obvious "family car" (VW Golf TDI)..... I just can't see how my "profile" fit any excuse for the full court press. Gregg [/QUOTE]
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