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<blockquote data-quote="cowboydoc" data-source="post: 1044016" data-attributes="member: 8065"><p>Dulles in in Virginia, not DC, and VA has reciprocity (actually VA calls it mutual recognition) with Oklahoma. Source: <a href="http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Reciprocity.shtm" target="_blank">http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Reciprocity.shtm</a></p><p></p><p>Washington DC has no reciprocity with any state and it is (from what I hear) extremely difficult to get a permit.</p><p></p><p>I have flown in and out of Dulles multiple times in the past 5 years (nearly once a month last year) as well as several other airports around the country, with one or more handguns, and the procedure is very simple, but some preparation is needed. Below is how I do it.</p><p></p><p>1) Arrive at the airport early. I find that it usually takes about 5 to 10 minutes longer than checking a bag without a firearm, but if there are questions or a more detailed inspection of your bag, it could take longer. Dulles is a busy airport, but usually the lines move pretty quickly.</p><p></p><p>2) Read and be familiar with BOTH the TSA requirements (see link inn EAD's post) and your airline's regulations (from your airline's website). The airlines can and do have some differences. I always carry 2 copies of each, one for me and one to give to the airline employee or TSA agent if needed. This has been useful more than once.</p><p></p><p>3) Your handgun(s) should be unloaded and in a hard-sided, locked container. The lock for this container should NOT be a TSA lock. I use a combination padlock. Ammunition CAN be in the same container, but does not have to be. Read the requirements carefully - I usually put mine in WWB or Blazer cardboard cartons that have the plastic trays. TSA allows loaded magazines as long as they are in a mag pouch or holster that covers the exposed portions, and I remember doing this several years ago (on United or US Airways I think), but now most AIRLINES will not allow this. Delta and American do not. Again, read BOTH the TSA and airline rules. I put this locked box inside a suitcase that is locked with a TSA lock (do not actually lock it until turning your bag over to save time). Put it in the suitcase so you can easily access it, since you will need to get it out at least once, possibly several times. Below is a pic of what I use if taking more than one handgun - ammo in boxes is in the bottom. I have a smaller case that I use if only taking one. I secure this case to the interior frame of the suitcase with a cable lock to prevent someone just taking the entire case easily.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]74027[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]74028[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>4) When you get to the airport, go to the airline's baggage check-in just like you were checking any normal bag. When you get to the front of the line, where they attach the labels to your bag, calmly tell the airline employee, "I need to declare an Unloaded Firearm in my checked baggage." At this point, they should give you an "unloaded firearms" declaration that you should sign and date. Be prepared to open your suitcase and your locked firearm case inside, and to demonstrate that it is unloaded. Sometimes the employee will have you retract the slide or open the cylinder, sometimes they won't even want you to open it. The declaration form will be put either in your locked case with your firearms, or attached to the outside of the case (this is actually the correct way). Do not let them attach the declaration (or anything else that says "firearm") to the outside of your suitcase - this is illegal and advertises to everyone that you have a firearm in your bag. </p><p></p><p>5) After everything at the baggage check counter, you will now take your suitcase (locked with the TSA lock) with your locked, firearm case inside it, to the TSA screening area. Again, tell the TSA officer that you are declaring an unloaded firearm in you checked bag and they will run it through the x-ray and whatever else they do. You should wait while they do this. It usually takes 5-10 minutes at most. They may open your bag, and rarely (this has happened only once to me, ever, and it was not at Dulles) they will want to inspect inside the firearm case, which you will need to unlock for them, or give them the key or combination to do so. Once your bag is cleared, head to the security checkpoint to get to your terminal, relax, and enjoy your flight.</p><p></p><p>Always be polite, but if necessary ask to speak to a supervisor, especially if someone is telling you to do something that is illegal or wrong. The two most common problems I have had is airline employees telling me that I cannot fly with ammunition, or trying to put the firearms declaration on the outside of my suitcase. Most of the TSA agents, at least in my experience, are squared away.</p><p></p><p>Hope this is helpful. If you have specific questions, you can PM me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cowboydoc, post: 1044016, member: 8065"] Dulles in in Virginia, not DC, and VA has reciprocity (actually VA calls it mutual recognition) with Oklahoma. Source: [url]http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Reciprocity.shtm[/url] Washington DC has no reciprocity with any state and it is (from what I hear) extremely difficult to get a permit. I have flown in and out of Dulles multiple times in the past 5 years (nearly once a month last year) as well as several other airports around the country, with one or more handguns, and the procedure is very simple, but some preparation is needed. Below is how I do it. 1) Arrive at the airport early. I find that it usually takes about 5 to 10 minutes longer than checking a bag without a firearm, but if there are questions or a more detailed inspection of your bag, it could take longer. Dulles is a busy airport, but usually the lines move pretty quickly. 2) Read and be familiar with BOTH the TSA requirements (see link inn EAD's post) and your airline's regulations (from your airline's website). The airlines can and do have some differences. I always carry 2 copies of each, one for me and one to give to the airline employee or TSA agent if needed. This has been useful more than once. 3) Your handgun(s) should be unloaded and in a hard-sided, locked container. The lock for this container should NOT be a TSA lock. I use a combination padlock. Ammunition CAN be in the same container, but does not have to be. Read the requirements carefully - I usually put mine in WWB or Blazer cardboard cartons that have the plastic trays. TSA allows loaded magazines as long as they are in a mag pouch or holster that covers the exposed portions, and I remember doing this several years ago (on United or US Airways I think), but now most AIRLINES will not allow this. Delta and American do not. Again, read BOTH the TSA and airline rules. I put this locked box inside a suitcase that is locked with a TSA lock (do not actually lock it until turning your bag over to save time). Put it in the suitcase so you can easily access it, since you will need to get it out at least once, possibly several times. Below is a pic of what I use if taking more than one handgun - ammo in boxes is in the bottom. I have a smaller case that I use if only taking one. I secure this case to the interior frame of the suitcase with a cable lock to prevent someone just taking the entire case easily. [attach=full]74027[/attach] [attach=full]74028[/attach] 4) When you get to the airport, go to the airline's baggage check-in just like you were checking any normal bag. When you get to the front of the line, where they attach the labels to your bag, calmly tell the airline employee, "I need to declare an Unloaded Firearm in my checked baggage." At this point, they should give you an "unloaded firearms" declaration that you should sign and date. Be prepared to open your suitcase and your locked firearm case inside, and to demonstrate that it is unloaded. Sometimes the employee will have you retract the slide or open the cylinder, sometimes they won't even want you to open it. The declaration form will be put either in your locked case with your firearms, or attached to the outside of the case (this is actually the correct way). Do not let them attach the declaration (or anything else that says "firearm") to the outside of your suitcase - this is illegal and advertises to everyone that you have a firearm in your bag. 5) After everything at the baggage check counter, you will now take your suitcase (locked with the TSA lock) with your locked, firearm case inside it, to the TSA screening area. Again, tell the TSA officer that you are declaring an unloaded firearm in you checked bag and they will run it through the x-ray and whatever else they do. You should wait while they do this. It usually takes 5-10 minutes at most. They may open your bag, and rarely (this has happened only once to me, ever, and it was not at Dulles) they will want to inspect inside the firearm case, which you will need to unlock for them, or give them the key or combination to do so. Once your bag is cleared, head to the security checkpoint to get to your terminal, relax, and enjoy your flight. Always be polite, but if necessary ask to speak to a supervisor, especially if someone is telling you to do something that is illegal or wrong. The two most common problems I have had is airline employees telling me that I cannot fly with ammunition, or trying to put the firearms declaration on the outside of my suitcase. Most of the TSA agents, at least in my experience, are squared away. Hope this is helpful. If you have specific questions, you can PM me. [/QUOTE]
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