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<blockquote data-quote="EKing" data-source="post: 3304310" data-attributes="member: 43282"><p>This is the language I was talking about. I don't know the person or what gun store the earlier post was about. The part that gets me fired up is when a person publicly advocates for the implied boycott of a business based off of a feeling that an employee is maybe doing something wrong. </p><p></p><p>I've politely and respectfully tried twice now to simply state my position. My position, based off of my training and experience, is that this practice is in no way detrimental to the safe functioning or to the lifespan of a properly made gun. The very high dollar 1911s have contact engagement surfaces that are measured in the 10 thousandths of an inch or smaller. These safe queens are also (usually) fitted with properly heat treated parts that will rub and bounce against each other many thousands of times without measurable wear. The problems arise when parts are filed and stoned too much in the race to produce that crisp 1-2lb pull, and in the process all of the hardened steel on the surface is removed. Or worse, the engagement surface's contact angle is changed. What's left is soft steel that will grind itself down to an unsafe or non-working state.</p><p></p><p>Let's get to the two links you provided.</p><p>In the first, his opinion is that letting the slide forward on an empty chamber can allow the hammer to follow. He goes right by the fact that if your hammer follows the slide, you have other issues going on that have nothing to do with sending the slide forward on an empty chamber. </p><p>In the second, his opinion is that the jarring effect of the slide going forward is "slowed considerably" and this reduced jarring reduces the chances of potential damage. No evidence is submitted, just a feeling that it might be bad.</p><p></p><p>Neither of these gentlemen have provided examples of guns that have failed and that this failure is directly a result of letting the slide go forward on an empty chamber. </p><p>I'm sure you could quickly find many more self proclaimed experts who would parrot this seemingly popular idea. The general consensus among these "experts" is that it might/maybe/possibly/could/we-can't-demonstrate-it-but-just-trust-us-it's-bad. Of course no "expert" opinion is complete without a preemptive insult to anyone who may dare to disagree; "It is the sign of an amateur 1911 handler." (first reference)</p><p>Like I said, do what you want with your own guns, I don't care. If you want to hold that opinion, that's your right. I will never get upset over opinions or even technical discussions. Everyone here can teach me something and I want to learn. It's when discussions get personal that irk me.</p><p></p><p>Now back to the guy in the gun shop in OKC. </p><p>When you wrote "I don't want to be shopping there either" you effectively endorsed a boycott. When you publicly endorse, even tacitly, the boycott of a business based on something as flimsy as a guy letting the slide go forward on an empty chamber, you are no longer merely discussing a topic. You are messing with someone's business, someone's job, someone's livelihood simply because your opinion has been challenged. That's where you crossed the line. The other gentleman at least had the decency to use PM; you tried to publicly out someone. </p><p>As a Moderator/Staff Member, you have a higher level of influence and an increased responsibility to get it right. Your influence is probably greater than you realize; people are reading what you write and taking it to heart.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EKing, post: 3304310, member: 43282"] This is the language I was talking about. I don't know the person or what gun store the earlier post was about. The part that gets me fired up is when a person publicly advocates for the implied boycott of a business based off of a feeling that an employee is maybe doing something wrong. I've politely and respectfully tried twice now to simply state my position. My position, based off of my training and experience, is that this practice is in no way detrimental to the safe functioning or to the lifespan of a properly made gun. The very high dollar 1911s have contact engagement surfaces that are measured in the 10 thousandths of an inch or smaller. These safe queens are also (usually) fitted with properly heat treated parts that will rub and bounce against each other many thousands of times without measurable wear. The problems arise when parts are filed and stoned too much in the race to produce that crisp 1-2lb pull, and in the process all of the hardened steel on the surface is removed. Or worse, the engagement surface's contact angle is changed. What's left is soft steel that will grind itself down to an unsafe or non-working state. Let's get to the two links you provided. In the first, his opinion is that letting the slide forward on an empty chamber can allow the hammer to follow. He goes right by the fact that if your hammer follows the slide, you have other issues going on that have nothing to do with sending the slide forward on an empty chamber. In the second, his opinion is that the jarring effect of the slide going forward is "slowed considerably" and this reduced jarring reduces the chances of potential damage. No evidence is submitted, just a feeling that it might be bad. Neither of these gentlemen have provided examples of guns that have failed and that this failure is directly a result of letting the slide go forward on an empty chamber. I'm sure you could quickly find many more self proclaimed experts who would parrot this seemingly popular idea. The general consensus among these "experts" is that it might/maybe/possibly/could/we-can't-demonstrate-it-but-just-trust-us-it's-bad. Of course no "expert" opinion is complete without a preemptive insult to anyone who may dare to disagree; "It is the sign of an amateur 1911 handler." (first reference) Like I said, do what you want with your own guns, I don't care. If you want to hold that opinion, that's your right. I will never get upset over opinions or even technical discussions. Everyone here can teach me something and I want to learn. It's when discussions get personal that irk me. Now back to the guy in the gun shop in OKC. When you wrote "I don't want to be shopping there either" you effectively endorsed a boycott. When you publicly endorse, even tacitly, the boycott of a business based on something as flimsy as a guy letting the slide go forward on an empty chamber, you are no longer merely discussing a topic. You are messing with someone's business, someone's job, someone's livelihood simply because your opinion has been challenged. That's where you crossed the line. The other gentleman at least had the decency to use PM; you tried to publicly out someone. As a Moderator/Staff Member, you have a higher level of influence and an increased responsibility to get it right. Your influence is probably greater than you realize; people are reading what you write and taking it to heart. [/QUOTE]
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