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<blockquote data-quote="okietom" data-source="post: 2400678" data-attributes="member: 18710"><p>Penske owned it all and in 2007 sold 51% to GM. Penske in 2011 sold their 49% to Fiat. It wasn't until september of 2013 that Fiat bought out GM's part of the company. So Gm has had a controlling interest while Chrysler was using VM Motori's diesel motors. I also understand that even with Fiat now owning 100% that GM has the option to use the same motor in their vehicles. </p><p></p><p>There is a similar deal with the Nissan/cummins deal. Chrysler developed the motor with Cummins to put in half tons and Chrysler backed out. It was Fiat that caused them to use the VM Motori engine instead of the V8 Cummins that Nissan is going to use.</p><p></p><p>Dang Fiat, a V8 Cummins would have been a better motor than a V6 VM Motori.</p><p></p><p>So, yes Fiat owns VM Motori but only since September 21st of 2013. A little over four months. And no, the motor is not exclusive to Chrysler.</p><p></p><p>And it isn't new, GM started putting diesel motors in half tons in 1978 and quit in 1998. So how does that make what Chrysler is doing new? Ford and Dodge only put diesels into 3/4 tons and up. It is new for Chrysler but not GM. GM quit because of the cost of meeting new emission standards. The standards did not apply to the heavier trucks until the last few years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="okietom, post: 2400678, member: 18710"] Penske owned it all and in 2007 sold 51% to GM. Penske in 2011 sold their 49% to Fiat. It wasn't until september of 2013 that Fiat bought out GM's part of the company. So Gm has had a controlling interest while Chrysler was using VM Motori's diesel motors. I also understand that even with Fiat now owning 100% that GM has the option to use the same motor in their vehicles. There is a similar deal with the Nissan/cummins deal. Chrysler developed the motor with Cummins to put in half tons and Chrysler backed out. It was Fiat that caused them to use the VM Motori engine instead of the V8 Cummins that Nissan is going to use. Dang Fiat, a V8 Cummins would have been a better motor than a V6 VM Motori. So, yes Fiat owns VM Motori but only since September 21st of 2013. A little over four months. And no, the motor is not exclusive to Chrysler. And it isn't new, GM started putting diesel motors in half tons in 1978 and quit in 1998. So how does that make what Chrysler is doing new? Ford and Dodge only put diesels into 3/4 tons and up. It is new for Chrysler but not GM. GM quit because of the cost of meeting new emission standards. The standards did not apply to the heavier trucks until the last few years. [/QUOTE]
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