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Ranges and Self-Defense Skills

Discussion in 'Self Defense and Handgun Carry' started by gerhard1, Jun 3, 2019.

  1. Gunbuffer

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    If you happened to take AP1 from tdsa located in Tulsa, you would be compelled to thank me for the suggestion for many years. They still use the ussa range I think.
     
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    Anytime a mag goes in your pistol, whether it’s after cleaning or at the range, or whenever...
    It’s time to practice a defensive speed reload; whatever you want to call it.
    Anytime you shoot cheap ammo and get a malf and need to replace the magazine, or after the pistol goes empty and you need to load and charge it, it’s time to practice a slide lock reload.
    Every moment you pick up your pistol out of your range bag is time to practice gripping It properly; like your life requires it.
    Every time you take your pistol out of your holster is a time to practice a draw as if you were in a gunfight.
    The speed at which you draw your gun should never vary based upon if there’s a threat, or if youre on gramps back 40 shooting cans.
    All My draws have one speed. As fast as f”&$. Edit-I should say “had”.
    My overall point is that there is more time for plain ol Joe civilian to train for ancillary gunfighting skills than you think. Heck, arguing about whether we should learn and train reloads is missed time we can train on these very Skills. And dryfire training is the best training. Cause everyone has unlimited access to it.
     
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    Well stated GB
     
  4. gerhard1

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    Gee, what a guy!! WHAT A GUY!!
     
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    You might want to think about contacting Mike Seeklander. He's up your way.
     
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    I’d visit the next gay pride parade or other large public event and look up that bad ass carrying the AR pistol and camera. He’s bound to have some mad skills he can pass along. No telling how many gunfights he’s won over the years.


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    I agree it is a skill that needs to be developed to great proficiency. The current BFI qualification requires shooting from the ready position 4 rounds to slide lock, preforming the reload, and firing 4 more rounds. It must be performed in 8 seconds. That is a good start. But it will be pretty difficult with a revolver. This is one reason I don't carry a revolver. I carried a J-frame for 20 years as a BUG, but almost never as a primary. I do think you are on the right track on the mindset of reloading after the gunfight and has been mentioned many times in the classes I have had.

    John Correia of Active Self Protection has compiled quite a bit of statistics from review of several videos involving shootings. At the time he presented this information at the instructor training seminar I was at, the video count was in excess of 5000. Earlier this year it was at 15,000 without anything really changing the original stats.

    Quote from the results, with my added emphasis.


    The other thing I see is that some practice skills such as this incorrectly. It is very important to develop these skills correctly. It is also extremely difficult to correct and re-train incorrect procedures if someone has developed and practiced them incorrectly.

    And I very often see people doing things that are far more likely in resulting in a self-inflicted gunshot wound that being shot by an assailant.

    It has been fun to watch John Correia's progression in the training world the last 3-4 years. I was very familiar with his work before his presentation at an event Tom Givens put on for graduates from his RangeMaster instructor courses a couple of years ago. With each observation point, he presented a few examples on video. Great stuff from an awareness aspect and it gives several clues on what to focus on. I'm not saying any one part needs to be left out, but it makes it pretty clear on what skills to work on 80% plus and what to apply less work into. Getting the first shot in and on target very high on the list. Not just one shot, but multiple shots to ensure the threat to your life is mitigated. I can also assure you that your assailant is not going to stand there. This can make target transitions very important. In some limited cases because of multiple assailants, but more often of your single assailant moving.

    I'll post John's entire results in bit.
     
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    Well, let us know how you enjoyed the parade anyway.
     
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    Of course, you're absolutely right. But will plain ol Joe Civilian do anything about training? Or will he just go buy a gun and put it in the drawer, or maybe...just carry it with only the SDA Course under his belt? We have members here who have only done the SDA, no training beyond that at all, yet many of them will surely post up their opinions based on what they saw on YouBoob or read in some gun magazine or whatever.

    Oh...I almost forgot, as of November 1st, even that minimum bit of training is no longer a requirement.

    I don't think we can have it both ways. Constitutional Carry has taken care of it anyway. If you can legally BUY a gun, you can legally CARRY it, as of November 1st. So...get ready for it; there may be blood in the streets!
     
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    This was from Dec 2016. John Correia has since stated he has reviewed 10,000 more with the same percentage of results. Good Stuff.

    John's website https://activeselfprotection.com/ and his YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsE_m2z1NrvF2ImeNWh84mw are worth taking a look at.

     
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