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<blockquote data-quote="dennishoddy" data-source="post: 3241792" data-attributes="member: 5412"><p>I can't get past standing static at a bench and thinking I'm getting any training other than pulling a trigger. Most of the indoor shoots I've been to are just shooting at a target that has holes punched in it from previous shooters. I want to see every shot I fire and where it hits.</p><p>I know it's possible to run the target in and out to see that but most of the folks I see at indoor ranges are just pulling the trigger, and never run the target in to cover the existing holes. I walk a hundred yards at our range down and then a hundred back to see a 1 shot group that has just been fired with a rifle. Put pasters on the hole and shoot one more again after the barrel cools. Rinse and repeat. (rifle stuff)</p><p>In a defensive situation at home I'm not going to stand at the coffee table and trade shots with an intruder. I'll be moving and looking for cover. Unfortunately in the home there is almost zero cover. You can't hide behind the couch or some sheet rock. Pistol round will pass completely through the thick part of a 2X4 and not slow down much. How do I know that? We have it happen all the time shooting steel challenge when someone shoots low on a plate that is supported by a 2X4 with a 9mm. </p><p>Most situations won't require a reload in the home or in the street as it will likely be done before that's an issue in reality, but the training to reload under pressure is certainly an asset that needs learned. Yes, there are exceptions to needing a reload, but most times that never happens. Hi cap mags work for that situation.</p><p> You don't get that at an indoor range busting paper. Drawing from cover is another skill you can't do at an indoor range unless your at a sanctioned competition. They don't allow it. </p><p>I stand to be corrected, but the basic defensive move in a shooting situation is to MOVE! Most folks can't hit a moving target without a lot of training. </p><p>USPSA and IDPA competitions is where you learn to shoot on the move and be accurate with fast shooting. Both skills needed in a gunfight.</p><p>IDPA is more combat related with tactical reloads vs USPSA where you dump the mag on the ground and reload another, both under pressure.</p><p>I'm still a fan of outdoor ranges without some of the draconian rules some of them have vs indoor.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dennishoddy, post: 3241792, member: 5412"] I can't get past standing static at a bench and thinking I'm getting any training other than pulling a trigger. Most of the indoor shoots I've been to are just shooting at a target that has holes punched in it from previous shooters. I want to see every shot I fire and where it hits. I know it's possible to run the target in and out to see that but most of the folks I see at indoor ranges are just pulling the trigger, and never run the target in to cover the existing holes. I walk a hundred yards at our range down and then a hundred back to see a 1 shot group that has just been fired with a rifle. Put pasters on the hole and shoot one more again after the barrel cools. Rinse and repeat. (rifle stuff) In a defensive situation at home I'm not going to stand at the coffee table and trade shots with an intruder. I'll be moving and looking for cover. Unfortunately in the home there is almost zero cover. You can't hide behind the couch or some sheet rock. Pistol round will pass completely through the thick part of a 2X4 and not slow down much. How do I know that? We have it happen all the time shooting steel challenge when someone shoots low on a plate that is supported by a 2X4 with a 9mm. Most situations won't require a reload in the home or in the street as it will likely be done before that's an issue in reality, but the training to reload under pressure is certainly an asset that needs learned. Yes, there are exceptions to needing a reload, but most times that never happens. Hi cap mags work for that situation. You don't get that at an indoor range busting paper. Drawing from cover is another skill you can't do at an indoor range unless your at a sanctioned competition. They don't allow it. I stand to be corrected, but the basic defensive move in a shooting situation is to MOVE! Most folks can't hit a moving target without a lot of training. USPSA and IDPA competitions is where you learn to shoot on the move and be accurate with fast shooting. Both skills needed in a gunfight. IDPA is more combat related with tactical reloads vs USPSA where you dump the mag on the ground and reload another, both under pressure. I'm still a fan of outdoor ranges without some of the draconian rules some of them have vs indoor. [/QUOTE]
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