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<blockquote data-quote="ProBusiness" data-source="post: 1277257" data-attributes="member: 6145"><p>A couple of points regarding the guys at bass pro. </p><p></p><p>Remington has a couple of models before the 1100 where they worked out the bugs. I don't care if the gas system is 50 years old. it works. newer does not mean better. </p><p></p><p>i will second the stmt the SOME of the guys at Bass Pro are not seasoned shotgun shooters.</p><p></p><p>I think that some of the 'newer' guns do not have the quality of some of the older guns. it depends on the mfg and gun.</p><p></p><p>a 1100 can come with fixed chokes or removable chokes, remington started making 1100 with removable chokes in the mid to late 1980. NONE of them are dogs in regards to quality and dependabliity (given the original design, a gun might be broken but that is a diff story). </p><p></p><p>True a pump gun will be less enjoyable in shooting a game of skeet where you keep score and are competiting. How often do you plan do to this? But can you shoot skeet with a pump - sure - some guys do it just to prove how fast they are. For trap - pump - no problem, sporting clays when doubles are thrown - you are handicapped some over a auto. A pump will kick more than an auto which could lower your score.</p><p></p><p>Looks should never play a major part in choosing a shotgun. buy quality not looks.</p><p></p><p>Everyone understands that an accurate rifle is more desirable than an inaccurate rifle.</p><p></p><p>But a shotgun can also be inaccurate. How - bad pattern. all of your 500 or so pellets need to be evenly dispursed at the appropriate distance with the given choke. So for a modified choke, shooting #8 shot, around 30 yards or 35 yards, a good shotgun will put about 70% of that 500 pellets into a 30" circle and all the pellets will be equal distance from one another. The above is an example. A bad pattern will have more of the pellets in one area and less in another creating a 'hole' in the pattern big enough for a dove, or even a pheasant to get through and not have enough lead in it to kill it. Some guns shoot high or low or left or right. some of the Cheap guns look great but have bad patterns. so why spend the money for a gun, the money for a hunting trip and shells, etc. and have a poor patterning shotgun. </p><p></p><p>buy a quality gun, in my book that is the beretta, remington, i have not shot a benelie but guys like them. I did not care for the winchesters i have owned - but that is just me. some guys love their winchesters. beretta 3901 is a quality gun, it may not have the looks of some of the cheaper guns but years of quality and testing are in that gun. same with remingtons 1100 and 1187. i do not know about the new remingtons. </p><p></p><p>the difference between the beretta 391 urika and 3901 is the 3901 is minus the lock out switch/lever in the reciever. not a big thing. handy when hunting but you can live without it. </p><p></p><p>buy your gun and start shooting. you will enjoy it and learn as you go. don't try and get it 100% correct the first time. if you are not hitting - trade guns.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ProBusiness, post: 1277257, member: 6145"] A couple of points regarding the guys at bass pro. Remington has a couple of models before the 1100 where they worked out the bugs. I don't care if the gas system is 50 years old. it works. newer does not mean better. i will second the stmt the SOME of the guys at Bass Pro are not seasoned shotgun shooters. I think that some of the 'newer' guns do not have the quality of some of the older guns. it depends on the mfg and gun. a 1100 can come with fixed chokes or removable chokes, remington started making 1100 with removable chokes in the mid to late 1980. NONE of them are dogs in regards to quality and dependabliity (given the original design, a gun might be broken but that is a diff story). True a pump gun will be less enjoyable in shooting a game of skeet where you keep score and are competiting. How often do you plan do to this? But can you shoot skeet with a pump - sure - some guys do it just to prove how fast they are. For trap - pump - no problem, sporting clays when doubles are thrown - you are handicapped some over a auto. A pump will kick more than an auto which could lower your score. Looks should never play a major part in choosing a shotgun. buy quality not looks. Everyone understands that an accurate rifle is more desirable than an inaccurate rifle. But a shotgun can also be inaccurate. How - bad pattern. all of your 500 or so pellets need to be evenly dispursed at the appropriate distance with the given choke. So for a modified choke, shooting #8 shot, around 30 yards or 35 yards, a good shotgun will put about 70% of that 500 pellets into a 30" circle and all the pellets will be equal distance from one another. The above is an example. A bad pattern will have more of the pellets in one area and less in another creating a 'hole' in the pattern big enough for a dove, or even a pheasant to get through and not have enough lead in it to kill it. Some guns shoot high or low or left or right. some of the Cheap guns look great but have bad patterns. so why spend the money for a gun, the money for a hunting trip and shells, etc. and have a poor patterning shotgun. buy a quality gun, in my book that is the beretta, remington, i have not shot a benelie but guys like them. I did not care for the winchesters i have owned - but that is just me. some guys love their winchesters. beretta 3901 is a quality gun, it may not have the looks of some of the cheaper guns but years of quality and testing are in that gun. same with remingtons 1100 and 1187. i do not know about the new remingtons. the difference between the beretta 391 urika and 3901 is the 3901 is minus the lock out switch/lever in the reciever. not a big thing. handy when hunting but you can live without it. buy your gun and start shooting. you will enjoy it and learn as you go. don't try and get it 100% correct the first time. if you are not hitting - trade guns. [/QUOTE]
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