Recreational Marijuana Question

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Here’s a tie in thought: instead of worrying about who is or isn’t utilizing MJ, we flip the script and get the gov out of property taxes?

Anyone else tired of never truly owning their own place? Let’s change the tax system here in Oklahoma. If MJ is part of that, I’m ok with that.
 

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My heart doctor is about as "all business" as they come. He told me I needed to get some gummies for the arthritis in my hips cause he knows I don't want any of the pharmacy pain pills. I was shocked they he suggested that so maybe there is something to the medical benefits of marijuana.
When my Dad’s cancer came back in 2014, it became obvious really fast that the end was near, and his doctor (a Christian and ultra conservative) told my parents that he couldn’t legally say it but thought marijuana would ease my Dad’s suffering. Of course, that’s as far as it went, because my parents were afraid someone at their church might find out if they did get some.
 

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Medical marijuana has pretty much saved my life for the past 2 years. I have an aggressive cancer and the docs have no problem prescribing me with opioids for the pain. I have tried the Oxy and others many times to give them a chance, but they simply do not work as well for me as marijuana. I only partake when I'm at home and don't plan on going anywhere. I still have plenty of Oxy, Norco, Tramadol, Hydro, and other pain pills left, but I don't need them. It's not just for the pain either, many times after infusion (Immuno and chemo therapy) I simply cannot eat or keep any food down at all if I don't partake of marijuana first.

For what it's worth, all of my surgeons, doctors, and nurses are all on board with medical marijuana.
 

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#4. - Address actual crimes - theft, assault, murder...for what they are. Blaming the substance of choice for a crime is exactly the same as blaming a gun for a shooting. Individuals make bad decisions, blame the individual, period.

But many thefts aren't being prosecuted any longer. Less than x amount of dollars and apparently it is too much for the state to waste its time with because it is too costly for the state.

I would never advocate using drugs. I would also never advocate the state telling you what you can buy, shoot, consume, read, or drive. I hate running down Riverside and getting a big whiff of pot smoke - but it ain't any worse smelling than a Camel or a Marlboro, and it passes quickly. Who am I to tell that worthless hippie what he should or shouldn't be doing?

The problem becomes at a society level, not a personal liberty level, what does our country need? Do we need a bunch of pot smokers who drag themselves down to the mailbox once a month to get their government check? What about all the other services they use from the system that everyone else gets to pay for? I'm all for liberty for someone if they want to bear the cost of said liberty, but this isn't really the situation we are in. I could get on board with no more services, no more entitlements, no more government checks, AND you can be a pot smoker who wants to smoke yourself to a mediocre life with true liberty that you don't come a running for government services. Also at a society level, what happens when your whole country are pot smokers?

I guess what I'm saying is that I agree with your post, but there are a lot of other problems in society that bear into the issue that would make it a non-issue for me if they were resolved.

I'm really really tired of the working people of this country paying for a bunch of deadbeats that don't contribute anything but sure like services and government money while we are 30T+ in debt. Where is our liberty in being heavily taxed?
 

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But many thefts aren't being prosecuted any longer. Less than x amount of dollars and apparently it is too much for the state to waste its time with because it is too costly for the state.



The problem becomes at a society level, not a personal liberty level, what does our country need? Do we need a bunch of pot smokers who drag themselves down to the mailbox once a month to get their government check? What about all the other services they use from the system that everyone else gets to pay for? I'm all for liberty for someone if they want to bear the cost of said liberty, but this isn't really the situation we are in. I could get on board with no more services, no more entitlements, no more government checks, AND you can be a pot smoker who wants to smoke yourself to a mediocre life with true liberty that you don't come a running for government services. Also at a society level, what happens when your whole country are pot smokers?

I guess what I'm saying is that I agree with your post, but there are a lot of other problems in society that bear into the issue that would make it a non-issue for me if they were resolved.

I'm really really tired of the working people of this country paying for a bunch of deadbeats that don't contribute anything but sure like services and government money while we are 30T+ in debt. Where is our liberty in being heavily taxed?
You list some wrongs that need to be fixed, no argument. But they need fixed whether pot is legal or not.

I don't want to share my check with some deadbeat, whether he's a pothead or not. The principle and logic needs to be consistent - taxpayers aren't responsible for anyone else. Just because we are coerced into that doesn't make it right.

Just like abortion, alcohol, heroin....choose your poison. I could care less what you do, just don't ask me to pay for it.
 

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Here’s a tie in thought: instead of worrying about who is or isn’t utilizing MJ, we flip the script and get the gov out of property taxes?

Anyone else tired of never truly owning their own place? Let’s change the tax system here in Oklahoma. If MJ is part of that, I’m ok with that.

Oh geez just what the rent house slum lords need, more incentive to buy up all the houses.

Does no one have issues with the obesity running rampant? Think its funny someone has issue with someone smoking an all natural plant but is perfectly fine with the guy who crammed his face full of McDonalds and now you get to pay for his bypass and viagra.
 

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Medical marijuana has pretty much saved my life for the past 2 years. I have an aggressive cancer and the docs have no problem prescribing me with opioids for the pain. I have tried the Oxy and others many times to give them a chance, but they simply do not work as well for me as marijuana. I only partake when I'm at home and don't plan on going anywhere. I still have plenty of Oxy, Norco, Tramadol, Hydro, and other pain pills left, but I don't need them. It's not just for the pain either, many times after infusion (Immuno and chemo therapy) I simply cannot eat or keep any food down at all if I don't partake of marijuana first.

For what it's worth, all of my surgeons, doctors, and nurses are all on board with medical marijuana.
Folks like you are what medical marijuana is supposed to be for, and I’m genuinely happy it’s helping you. :thumb:
 

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The problem becomes at a society level, not a personal liberty level, what does our country need? Do we need a bunch of pot smokers who drag themselves down to the mailbox once a month to get their government check? What about all the other services they use from the system that everyone else gets to pay for? I'm all for liberty for someone if they want to bear the cost of said liberty, but this isn't really the situation we are in. I could get on board with no more services, no more entitlements, no more government checks, AND you can be a pot smoker who wants to smoke yourself to a mediocre life with true liberty that you don't come a running for government services. Also at a society level, what happens when your whole country are pot smokers?

I guess what I'm saying is that I agree with your post, but there are a lot of other problems in society that bear into the issue that would make it a non-issue for me if they were resolved.

I'm really really tired of the working people of this country paying for a bunch of deadbeats that don't contribute anything but sure like services and government money while we are 30T+ in debt. Where is our liberty in being heavily taxed?

My only issue with this thought pattern is singling out pot. As has been said, deadbeats are going to be deadbeats regardless of what tools or substances are available to them. A driven, hardworking, moral person isn't suddenly going to lose their life goals and motivation after smoking a joint or eating a brownie.

All of the issues you mentioned are completely legitimate, but I think we need to restrict alcohol, nicotine, and sugar as well. If you rely on the system to pay for your livelihood, there should be no perks. We will give you basic shelter, some clothes, food, and water. We should also provide classes on how to feed a family with some dried beans, rice, vegetables, and ground beef/chicken/turkey. If you want to give your kids french fries or potato chips, better start learning how to peel and slice potatoes. There should also be a requirement for skill/job training and/or community service to round out the 40-50 hours a week the average person works to pay for those benefits for you.

Pot may be a characteristic in certain underperforming individuals lives, but it doesnt wreck an otherwise worthwhile person. I would argue any one of those people we see that are a pothead bum would just as likely be a wineo, junky, or just plain slothful individual if access to pot was removed.
 

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witnessing both California and Colorado, Oklahoma is on the same path. First comes medi-sham I mean medical then comes recreation. Medical brings about more homeless, hospital visits, crime, and more liberals. Recreation compounds all of that. Oklahoma has seen an influx of homeless, liberals, and people in the hospitals

Now personally I think it should be federally legal, and sold like cigarettes. In addition, I would set an extremely high tax rate (sin tax) so it is set early and later on, won't be an issue passing.

I should also note, that I do know fellow veterans that weed has helped them, genuinely helped them. Though they are the few, the rest just want to get high. Again I have no problem with that, we just need federal gov legalization.
 

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wawazat - I don't disagree and you are right about singling out pot. I don't really want the government to take those liberties, but at the same time, I don't want citizens at large having to pay for the aftermath of those liberties either.

Dr. HK - This is exactly what I was trying to pick at. What is great for liberty at a personal level has a societal cost as well. If the "end game" of recreational MJ is known (homeless, hospital load, crime, liberals, you know, destruction of a good society worth living in), then it starts to be a question of what is better, a society that isn't like this, or someone's personal liberty. Where is the line drawn?
 

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