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<blockquote data-quote="Mad Professor" data-source="post: 3548884" data-attributes="member: 5316"><p>While it might sound good in theory, I’ve never seen it work in actual application. </p><p></p><p>Nobody in USPSA is using a laser outside of a couple of PCC guys to pop a round off on the beep on a particular stage. Maybe 1 chance that it has a potential to work in their favor. A piece of steel, or actuating popper enabled swinger. Rarely anything that requires target acquisition. Simply pointing laser before the start. Laser laser are legal in open pistol, but I have never seen one used.</p><p></p><p>I have seen them show up in classes several times. I have never seen them good for aiming although they are entertaining to watch. Every single person shot better after the laser was turned off or disabled. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I have had few that I was helping that expressed their desire to buy a gun with a laser. About 15 minutes with my SIRT and MantisX changed their mind. A SIRT is a shot indicating reset trigger laser equipped pistol replica. It has two lasers, 1 during the trigger takeup. And another as the trigger breaks. Most of the time I have them use the SIRT with the takeup laser disabled other than for this demonstration. </p><p></p><p>I’ve helped several people develop RDS skills. The majority made great progress with the RDS. Honestly the less experienced developed faster than the better shooters with iron experience. </p><p></p><p>I personal have ran several pistol mounted RDS over the last 3 years. I’m faster than most with irons and it has been a long difficult road to get my scores close to irons. I easily have over 5000 rounds through RDS gun, likely closer to 10000. I also now have about 2000 cycles with a RDS equipped Airsoft training gun. I’m getting there. Really close to the irons. I’m faster and just as accurate at 3-7 yards. It’s a toss up at 10-15 yards, and I pick up better scores with the RDS because of accuracy at 20-25 yards. </p><p>In bullseye type competitions with generous par times, the RDS wins hands down. In comps that are time plus or hit factor it gets way more complicated, but I’m getting there. </p><p></p><p>I bought my first pistol laser 25+ years ago. The first was a guiderod laser for a SIG 226. I quickly learned its limitations. Although it was a very valuable law enforcement tool to get someone to comply while pointing a gun at them, it offered no value to shooting. </p><p></p><p>Things may change but on a rifle, most do and I have little experience with lasers on a rifle. </p><p></p><p>Rockchalk is giving good info. It’s hard to develop the technique. Most wave to try to focus their eyes in the dot instead of the target. You have to train that out of them. But once they get it, you usually see dramatic results.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mad Professor, post: 3548884, member: 5316"] While it might sound good in theory, I’ve never seen it work in actual application. Nobody in USPSA is using a laser outside of a couple of PCC guys to pop a round off on the beep on a particular stage. Maybe 1 chance that it has a potential to work in their favor. A piece of steel, or actuating popper enabled swinger. Rarely anything that requires target acquisition. Simply pointing laser before the start. Laser laser are legal in open pistol, but I have never seen one used. I have seen them show up in classes several times. I have never seen them good for aiming although they are entertaining to watch. Every single person shot better after the laser was turned off or disabled. I have had few that I was helping that expressed their desire to buy a gun with a laser. About 15 minutes with my SIRT and MantisX changed their mind. A SIRT is a shot indicating reset trigger laser equipped pistol replica. It has two lasers, 1 during the trigger takeup. And another as the trigger breaks. Most of the time I have them use the SIRT with the takeup laser disabled other than for this demonstration. I’ve helped several people develop RDS skills. The majority made great progress with the RDS. Honestly the less experienced developed faster than the better shooters with iron experience. I personal have ran several pistol mounted RDS over the last 3 years. I’m faster than most with irons and it has been a long difficult road to get my scores close to irons. I easily have over 5000 rounds through RDS gun, likely closer to 10000. I also now have about 2000 cycles with a RDS equipped Airsoft training gun. I’m getting there. Really close to the irons. I’m faster and just as accurate at 3-7 yards. It’s a toss up at 10-15 yards, and I pick up better scores with the RDS because of accuracy at 20-25 yards. In bullseye type competitions with generous par times, the RDS wins hands down. In comps that are time plus or hit factor it gets way more complicated, but I’m getting there. I bought my first pistol laser 25+ years ago. The first was a guiderod laser for a SIG 226. I quickly learned its limitations. Although it was a very valuable law enforcement tool to get someone to comply while pointing a gun at them, it offered no value to shooting. Things may change but on a rifle, most do and I have little experience with lasers on a rifle. Rockchalk is giving good info. It’s hard to develop the technique. Most wave to try to focus their eyes in the dot instead of the target. You have to train that out of them. But once they get it, you usually see dramatic results. [/QUOTE]
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