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<blockquote data-quote="_CY_" data-source="post: 2750519" data-attributes="member: 7629"><p>thousands of rounds fired by police and gang members ???</p><p>really looking forward to seeing the police videos .. </p><p></p><p>lawsuit filed by neighbor <a href="http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/wacotrib.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/eb/8eb01748-fffd-11e4-a4eb-83f98935a085/555e497a47bc9.pdf.pdf" target="_blank">http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/wacotrib.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/eb/8eb01748-fffd-11e4-a4eb-83f98935a085/555e497a47bc9.pdf.pdf</a></p><p></p><p>go to beginning of page three in above document </p><p></p><p>=========</p><p></p><p>In addition from a lawsuit filed against Twin Peaks by the neighboring restaurant Don Carlos it is claimed the police fired “thousands of rounds” toward the bikers; striking not only bike club members but also Don Carlos customer vehicles.</p><p></p><p>Summary and personal thoughts: It is entirely possible that some of the bikers were criminals; and it is also entirely possible that twitchy police responded excessively and overreacted to a perceived threat. These two possibilities are not mutually exclusive.</p><p></p><p>Who shot at whom first; who did or did not pull the trigger; and what might have spurred the 14 police officers to fire “thousands of rounds” at a group of 3 to 5 potentially armed bikers when the downrange backdrop was a patio filled with hundreds of unarmed bikers is not yet known.</p><p></p><p>Look closely at this picture:</p><p></p><p>waco 11</p><p></p><p><img src="https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/waco-11.jpg?w=640&h=359" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>=============</p><p></p><p>sure is getting hard to know what to believe???</p><p></p><p>=============</p><p></p><p>*UPDATE* Report of Waco Police Affidavit/Warrants Inconsistent With Initial Public Claims By Same Police&#8230;</p><p>Posted on May 19, 2015 by sundance</p><p></p><p>update-1Update &#8211; The Dead (All Texans):</p><p></p><p>waco 2</p><p></p><p> Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, died of gunshot wounds of the head and trunk.</p><p> Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, died of gunshot wounds to the neck.</p><p> Richard Vincent Kirshner, Jr., 47, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.</p><p> Richard Matthew Jordan, III, 31, died of gunshot wounds to the head.</p><p> Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, died of gunshot wounds to the head and trunk.</p><p> Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, died of gunshot wounds to the head.</p><p> Matthew Mark Smith, 27, died of gunshot wounds to the trunk</p><p> Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.</p><p> And Charles Wayne Russell, 46, died of gunshot wounds to the chest.</p><p></p><p>Reporting now indicating that all deceased were killed by police gunfire. Reporting now indicating 27 people shot by police, 8 still in hospital. Reporting lowers weapons confiscated to less than 50, mostly pocket knives, chains (attached to wallets?), nail clippers, one padlock and firearms (CCP fired or unfired?).</p><p></p><p>From the outset the police description of events at the Twin Peaks (Waco) Gang Shooting seemed oddly self-serving, super efficient/fast, and unusually specific for a mass casualty event outlined in under 3 hours. It was *as if* they wanted to get out ahead of something.</p><p></p><p>waco 8</p><p></p><p>One of the original claims, that was still maintained by officials last night, was the origin of the gang violence beginning in a restroom of the bar/grill and spilling outside.</p><p></p><p>Additionally, the police originally stated that all gang member gunfire was inside the building, and all the deceased were shot inside the restaurant.</p><p></p><p>However, a report outlining the 500 page construct of the police affidavit and arrest warrant(s) claims that all events happened outside in the parking lot:</p><p></p><p> [&#8230;] The affidavit goes on to say three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot.</p><p></p><p> After the two rival groups met in the parking lot a fight broke out, the affidavit says.</p><p></p><p> “During the course of the altercation, members and associates of the Cossacks and Banditos brandished and used firearms, knives, or other unknown edged weapons, batons, clubs, brass knuckles and other weapons,:” the affidavit says.</p><p></p><p> The affidavit says the gang members fired at each other and then when police tried to stop the fight, they began firing at officers.</p><p></p><p> Waco police officers returned fire striking multiple gang members,” the affidavit says (link)</p><p></p><p>Additionally the police went to great lengths to state the franchise owner/operator of the Twin Peaks restaurant would not cooperate with law enforcement and refused to cancel the event despite the demands of local law enforcement.</p><p></p><p>However, that too is factually disputed by the owner/operator:</p><p></p><p> [&#8230;] Late Monday afternoon the restaurant’s operators issued another statement in which they said law enforcement officials did not ask the operator or the franchisor to cancel the patio reservation on Sunday.</p><p></p><p> The event Sunday afternoon was not a Bike Night, the statement said, but instead the result of a “regular patio reservation made by a female customer who has been to the restaurant previously.”</p><p></p><p> “Based on the information to date, we also believe that the violence began outside in the area of the parking lot, and not inside our restaurant or on our patio, as has been widely reported,” the statement said.</p><p></p><p> [&#8230;] “We are in the process of gathering additional facts, and urge that people avoid rushing to judgment before those facts are fully known,” the [franchise owner] statement said. (link)</p><p></p><p>It would appear there are several contradictions with the initial -and ongoing- claims by Waco Police Spokesperson Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. Including last night:</p><p></p><p> [&#8230;] Shots were fired inside the restaurant and bikers were shot, stabbed and beaten before the fight quickly moved outside to the parking lot, Swanton said</p><p></p><p><a href="http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/19/report-of-waco-police-affidavitwarrants-inconsistent-with-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/" target="_blank">http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/19/report-of-waco-police-affidavitwarrants-inconsistent-with-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="_CY_, post: 2750519, member: 7629"] thousands of rounds fired by police and gang members ??? really looking forward to seeing the police videos .. lawsuit filed by neighbor [url]http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/wacotrib.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/eb/8eb01748-fffd-11e4-a4eb-83f98935a085/555e497a47bc9.pdf.pdf[/url] go to beginning of page three in above document ========= In addition from a lawsuit filed against Twin Peaks by the neighboring restaurant Don Carlos it is claimed the police fired “thousands of rounds” toward the bikers; striking not only bike club members but also Don Carlos customer vehicles. Summary and personal thoughts: It is entirely possible that some of the bikers were criminals; and it is also entirely possible that twitchy police responded excessively and overreacted to a perceived threat. These two possibilities are not mutually exclusive. Who shot at whom first; who did or did not pull the trigger; and what might have spurred the 14 police officers to fire “thousands of rounds” at a group of 3 to 5 potentially armed bikers when the downrange backdrop was a patio filled with hundreds of unarmed bikers is not yet known. Look closely at this picture: waco 11 [IMG]https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/waco-11.jpg?w=640&h=359[/IMG] ============= sure is getting hard to know what to believe??? ============= *UPDATE* Report of Waco Police Affidavit/Warrants Inconsistent With Initial Public Claims By Same Police… Posted on May 19, 2015 by sundance update-1Update – The Dead (All Texans): waco 2 Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, died of gunshot wounds of the head and trunk. Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, died of gunshot wounds to the neck. Richard Vincent Kirshner, Jr., 47, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot. Richard Matthew Jordan, III, 31, died of gunshot wounds to the head. Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, died of gunshot wounds to the head and trunk. Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, died of gunshot wounds to the head. Matthew Mark Smith, 27, died of gunshot wounds to the trunk Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot. And Charles Wayne Russell, 46, died of gunshot wounds to the chest. Reporting now indicating that all deceased were killed by police gunfire. Reporting now indicating 27 people shot by police, 8 still in hospital. Reporting lowers weapons confiscated to less than 50, mostly pocket knives, chains (attached to wallets?), nail clippers, one padlock and firearms (CCP fired or unfired?). From the outset the police description of events at the Twin Peaks (Waco) Gang Shooting seemed oddly self-serving, super efficient/fast, and unusually specific for a mass casualty event outlined in under 3 hours. It was *as if* they wanted to get out ahead of something. waco 8 One of the original claims, that was still maintained by officials last night, was the origin of the gang violence beginning in a restroom of the bar/grill and spilling outside. Additionally, the police originally stated that all gang member gunfire was inside the building, and all the deceased were shot inside the restaurant. However, a report outlining the 500 page construct of the police affidavit and arrest warrant(s) claims that all events happened outside in the parking lot: […] The affidavit goes on to say three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot. After the two rival groups met in the parking lot a fight broke out, the affidavit says. “During the course of the altercation, members and associates of the Cossacks and Banditos brandished and used firearms, knives, or other unknown edged weapons, batons, clubs, brass knuckles and other weapons,:” the affidavit says. The affidavit says the gang members fired at each other and then when police tried to stop the fight, they began firing at officers. Waco police officers returned fire striking multiple gang members,” the affidavit says (link) Additionally the police went to great lengths to state the franchise owner/operator of the Twin Peaks restaurant would not cooperate with law enforcement and refused to cancel the event despite the demands of local law enforcement. However, that too is factually disputed by the owner/operator: […] Late Monday afternoon the restaurant’s operators issued another statement in which they said law enforcement officials did not ask the operator or the franchisor to cancel the patio reservation on Sunday. The event Sunday afternoon was not a Bike Night, the statement said, but instead the result of a “regular patio reservation made by a female customer who has been to the restaurant previously.” “Based on the information to date, we also believe that the violence began outside in the area of the parking lot, and not inside our restaurant or on our patio, as has been widely reported,” the statement said. […] “We are in the process of gathering additional facts, and urge that people avoid rushing to judgment before those facts are fully known,” the [franchise owner] statement said. (link) It would appear there are several contradictions with the initial -and ongoing- claims by Waco Police Spokesperson Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. Including last night: […] Shots were fired inside the restaurant and bikers were shot, stabbed and beaten before the fight quickly moved outside to the parking lot, Swanton said [url]http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/19/report-of-waco-police-affidavitwarrants-inconsistent-with-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/[/url] [/QUOTE]
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