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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 3120740" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>I don't think it matters, because as was stated earlier, this is oranges to apples. You can't compare Ted Nugent from 24 years ago or even Bill Maher from 17 years ago. The climate is COMPLETELY different now than it was then. It's different even than it was after GWB's post 9/11 star lost it's shine. It's different than it was after Katrina.</p><p></p><p>What we're seeing today is a concerted effort to overthrow a legitimate presidential administration using nothing but pure hatred and invective. Even when we were busy bitching about Obama for 8 years, we lacked one critical feature, a bully pulpit. We preached to the choir and generally just commiserated, just as they do over on DU or Daily Kos now about Trump. The difference are the number of powerful enemies with national audiences and serious federal government titles in front of their names, who are actively undermining this administration every. single. day. without. reprieve. </p><p></p><p>It's a constant avalanche of negative coverage and it's absolutely designed to take the administration down. Being somewhat jaded, I recognize that it's no coincidence that Bee aired this attack the day before her televised "Honors" award from the Television Academy. It was a pre-planned attack designed to increase ratings for the award show, which would've otherwise flopped entirely. Instead, people tuned in to see whether she'd be contrite or righteous for calling Ivanka a c__t. Well she didn't disappoint her faithful followers:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First of all, you're Canadian. You became a U.S. citizen in 2014, but you retain Canadian citizenship and you're obviously not assimilated here. Your husband is likewise hyphenated Canadian-American, with Canadian being first.</p><p></p><p>Second, those people are NOT legally seeking asylum. They're entering the country illegally. They're not running to a U.S. Consulate to request asylum, they're crossing the river and vanishing into this country's population. Do we allow people apprehended for crimes to take their children to jail with them? NO! If we did, we'd be labeled heinous racists for imprisoning children! It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. The official U.S. policy is to try and place the minor children with extended family members within the U.S. Now they're saying the U.S. has "lost" 1,500 kids. Hmm, could those be the kids placed with Uncle Jose' or Aunt Maria? Are those families migratory? Might they not leave a convenient paper trail for La Migra to come and take those kids back? This isn't rocket surgery folks!</p><p></p><p>So I don't give her a pass at all. I don't give TBS a pass either, because this was all carefully planned in advance, and it's ********. Pure propaganda. So this is absolutely apples and oranges and there IS a double standard. One was off the clock and off the cuff. The other was a carefully devised and planned event. Confirmation bias just doesn't apply if you look at ALL the facts. JMO, YMMV</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 3120740, member: 1132"] I don't think it matters, because as was stated earlier, this is oranges to apples. You can't compare Ted Nugent from 24 years ago or even Bill Maher from 17 years ago. The climate is COMPLETELY different now than it was then. It's different even than it was after GWB's post 9/11 star lost it's shine. It's different than it was after Katrina. What we're seeing today is a concerted effort to overthrow a legitimate presidential administration using nothing but pure hatred and invective. Even when we were busy bitching about Obama for 8 years, we lacked one critical feature, a bully pulpit. We preached to the choir and generally just commiserated, just as they do over on DU or Daily Kos now about Trump. The difference are the number of powerful enemies with national audiences and serious federal government titles in front of their names, who are actively undermining this administration every. single. day. without. reprieve. It's a constant avalanche of negative coverage and it's absolutely designed to take the administration down. Being somewhat jaded, I recognize that it's no coincidence that Bee aired this attack the day before her televised "Honors" award from the Television Academy. It was a pre-planned attack designed to increase ratings for the award show, which would've otherwise flopped entirely. Instead, people tuned in to see whether she'd be contrite or righteous for calling Ivanka a c__t. Well she didn't disappoint her faithful followers: First of all, you're Canadian. You became a U.S. citizen in 2014, but you retain Canadian citizenship and you're obviously not assimilated here. Your husband is likewise hyphenated Canadian-American, with Canadian being first. Second, those people are NOT legally seeking asylum. They're entering the country illegally. They're not running to a U.S. Consulate to request asylum, they're crossing the river and vanishing into this country's population. Do we allow people apprehended for crimes to take their children to jail with them? NO! If we did, we'd be labeled heinous racists for imprisoning children! It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. The official U.S. policy is to try and place the minor children with extended family members within the U.S. Now they're saying the U.S. has "lost" 1,500 kids. Hmm, could those be the kids placed with Uncle Jose' or Aunt Maria? Are those families migratory? Might they not leave a convenient paper trail for La Migra to come and take those kids back? This isn't rocket surgery folks! So I don't give her a pass at all. I don't give TBS a pass either, because this was all carefully planned in advance, and it's ********. Pure propaganda. So this is absolutely apples and oranges and there IS a double standard. One was off the clock and off the cuff. The other was a carefully devised and planned event. Confirmation bias just doesn't apply if you look at ALL the facts. JMO, YMMV [/QUOTE]
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