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JEVapa

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Stalin put criminals in jail? Guess we better get rid of jails then, I ain't no COMMIE!
Hitler ensured that his citizen's right to a speedy trial was upheld? Dang, I take it all back then. Send the children back to ineffective schools and release the schizophrenics and heroin addicts to wander the neighborhoods.
Again, reading all of what I said, and not pieces parts will let you know that your answer is not only incorrect, but stupid. Context is key and like many others in this forum, you pick and choose what you want to tell your bullsh*t.

Here is what I said:
Hitler and Stalin among others in our not-too-distant history did most of these very things. Good call!
"Most" does not mean "all". This means that most of the things you state that are needed for good order have already been done in our history by some despot. Again, most not all. If I would have said "All", then your response would be appropriate.

Also, you should highlight the things that you know I'm talking about, and not the ones that fall outside of the "most" category. 👇 👇 👇 👇 👇

Open the insane asylums, force treatment.
Round them up, put them in camps. (End homelessness with this ONE SIMPLE TRICK!)

Prison is for forcibly altering human behavior, not warehousing assholes.
(Gulags and forced labor camps)

Unleash the police. (Gestapo/Secret Police)

Alter Constitution to unjam the legal system (currently not possible to have a "speedy" trial). (All despots do this to make their actions "legal")

Freedom is downstream from order and social cohesion. (this is typical socialist and despotic rhetoric and thought, it's very communist and is a prevailing argument for socialism)

Men must be governed. (Men govern themselves and are inherently free, this statement is polar opposite of this country's founding and the Constitution. This is a despot construct)

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim, Pol Pot, Amin, Ho, etc all did these things.

How very despotic of you though. Sorry, but that kind of governance would require a curb stomp.
 
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I said it elsewhere:

My stock answer in discussions like these will always be something like this:

The same government that fosters anarchy in the streets, the same government that has a different rule-of-law depending the perp’s ideology, the same that tolerates bought-&-sold Prosecutors releasing criminals into communities, the same that throws open our border to drugs, criminals, and takes a dump on the ideal of citizenship, that resists State’s efforts to perform the very Constitutional duties they refuse; the same government that calls us White-Supremacists and drives wedges every chance it gets on issues of Race, that’s the one we’re gonna surrender our weapons to?

This ain’t a Warsaw Ghetto! Not yet. Could become one though. Give us 35 yrs, maybe we can beat the record set by Venezuela’s in a race to the bottom.

Quit treating the symtom and consult a mirror for a look at the disease!
 

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Could it be the destruction of America by the "death of a thousand cuts" to bring about the one world government, new world order or "The Great Reset" and the 2nd Amendment is only one of those that stand in their way. We have already been bleeding for decades so It shouldn't be long now until we find out. I hear rumblings outside, I don't know if it's thunder or the 4 horseman of the Apocalypse.
 

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Again, reading all of what I said, and not pieces parts will let you know that your answer is not only incorrect, but stupid. Context is key and like many others in this forum, you pick and choose what you want to tell your bullsh*t.
I'll have to ask your forgiveness if my response was obnoxious.
We just spent 4 years listening to the Left saying "Donald Trump did X?!? THAT'S JUST LIKE HITLER!"
So when I hear people on our side say similar things, as though methods and tactics have moral connotation outside of their intent, I get annoyed, and sometimes my responses are rude or condescending.

I know what you said, and if you had asked questions for specifics I could have explained that every one of those points were libertarian policy recommendations by either Hoppe or Rothbard. I suppose you could argue that libertarians are closet dictators if you want.
If you'd like, we can discuss each point in a PM, to clarify each one rather than leave them as your caricatures.

If not, then I accept that you have proven my initial point: that rather than do difficult and unpalatable things that need to be done to stay free, do-nothing conservatives would sit on their hands while the Marxists who run their country pick apart their rights.

Please PM me if you wish to respond and discuss, I don't want to take up space in this thread.
 

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Nope, he thinks that’s a crazy idea. His wife is a rabid liberal and has been as long as I’ve known her. I think she’s getting to him. He also works in the inner city metro schools. Most of his kids are Hispanic or black and the dads are not in the picture. Those things ‘used’ to make him a strong advocate for teaching hard work, self worth and dignity. My time with him yesterday was different, my friend has changed his views. I spent about three hours with him and I don’t think I made a dent.
It’s called brainwashing, if he works in the the school system the barrage is not just coming from his wife but from the school systems too. If you spend enough time in immersed in liberal cult (and this is what it is) you can’t rally help it. I’ve seen many conservative kids leave high school staunch conservative after 4 years of college they come back raging rabid liberals.
 

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Folks, we can very easily have all these anti gun laws be passed very soon. It will pass the house and if every single republican votes against it and every democrat votes for it, we are screwed. Manchin is not pro gun. He will vote for it. I don’t understand how so many on here don’t think this can happen. Look at our government. Do you honestly think this can’t happen? Even people on this very forum are supporting more gun control. If supposed pro 2A folks on here are doing that, what do you think the supposed 2A supporters in Washington are doing? Wake up!!
 

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