https://www.okshooters.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2331756 thats not entirely true, they are made to sell, I just do not try and sell them in the photo section of this forum. The last two are avaiable if I'm allowed to say. I post on seveal forums and most of them do not want you talking buisness in the photo fourms. I have to limit how much I push them as I only get to do this on the weekends, and that includes mailing, making, sheath work all of it. I'm usually months behind on orders as I am right now. Some times I have to break loose and make "extras" to keep it fun and a hobby, the last two are just that.