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<blockquote data-quote="Tanis143" data-source="post: 3128162" data-attributes="member: 43724"><p>Like I said, we all have our opinions, and see things different ways. I never said Trump was this god awful monster that the dems scream (I love watching SJW's getting waxed in debates almost as much as I liked watching the HBC hate group get their windows smashed when they protested at soldiers funerals), I simply said I disagreed with some of his policies, and more specifically how some were implemented. Dennis, you are the only one who has actually sat down to discuss this, others just started calling me liberal and what not. </p><p></p><p>So I will further explain:</p><p></p><p>Foreign Policy: You bring up good points on the tariffs. No, I don't think it was fair. NAFTA killed Detroit and put a lot of manufacturing jobs out of business, but not by itself, we have unions to thank for part of it. I agree that things should be evened, however just coming in like a bull in a china shop wasn't quite the way it should have been done. Now we are in a trade war with not only China, but the UK as well. Granted, China can go sit on their thumbs and rotate. They would love to see the US ruined and split up since we are one of two other countries that could stop their march for more power. The other country is just like them. However, the UK is one of our biggest ally. Same thing with Canada. I just feel this could have been handled better. Add that with his brash, "I will say whatever I want and damn the consequences" attitude on twitter paints the US in a light I'm not to keen on. Maybe it will work out. I would love to see more blue collar jobs back in the US. The only thing is we have to reign in the unions so those jobs are not overpaid and we see repeats of Hostess. </p><p></p><p>Transgenders in the military: The stance you provided is a bit typical from the far right. "Class of people who can't make up their mind who they want to be" This has to be the worst way to describe transgenders I've seen in a while. They are not confused, they just feel that their biological gender was wrong and changed it. If they are post-op and have completed the change, that doesn't sound to confused to me. And you opened a whole other can of worms with the PTSD situation. I'll just say this: Any able bodied person who wants to serve in the military should be given the chance, regardless of anything else. The whole "We don't need any gay, lesbian or transgender in the military" argument is the same thing that was said about blacks in the military. As I said, any able bodied person who wishes to serve in the best armed forces in the world should be allowed. Now, if they are pre-op, I agree that the US military should not pay for their transition surgery. However they should be given the choice to take a leave of absence, have the surgery, then be able to rejoin once they show they are able bodied again. </p><p></p><p>Pruitt: This is where we will have to agree to disagree. The guy is an idiot who panders to the far right and big businesses with no regard to the ecological impact, plain and simple. Denying climate change and how human CO emissions have influenced it is just as bad as the far left ignoring the factual stats on gun crime and baying about wanting to ban this and restrict our rights. I will agree the EPA has been over burdensome, just like other alphabet divisions of the government, but Pruitt is willing to sell out the environment so big companies can profit. I'm no eco nut, our car is still fully gas though it isn't a gas hog. We need to get away from fossil fuels plain and simple. And yes, the EPA was over reaching in many ways (There was a Ford compact that could not be sold in the US because it didn't have a cat converter, it didn't need it. But the EPA said no, even though its emissions were better and got 45 MPG). Now, if Pruitt or Trump were to come out and support research into a better fuel source, say fission powered vehicles, I would support that. But, again, we will just have to agree to disagree on this choice. My views on Pruitt are based off of his choice to cost Oklahoma several million dollars in lawsuits on issues that appealed to the far right and had no chance to win. To me he is just another far right shill who does what he can to stay elected and get money. </p><p></p><p>Again, thanks for actually discussing this instead of just going off and calling me a liberal. I'm anything but. As Dorian Grey once said "I'm complicated".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tanis143, post: 3128162, member: 43724"] Like I said, we all have our opinions, and see things different ways. I never said Trump was this god awful monster that the dems scream (I love watching SJW's getting waxed in debates almost as much as I liked watching the HBC hate group get their windows smashed when they protested at soldiers funerals), I simply said I disagreed with some of his policies, and more specifically how some were implemented. Dennis, you are the only one who has actually sat down to discuss this, others just started calling me liberal and what not. So I will further explain: Foreign Policy: You bring up good points on the tariffs. No, I don't think it was fair. NAFTA killed Detroit and put a lot of manufacturing jobs out of business, but not by itself, we have unions to thank for part of it. I agree that things should be evened, however just coming in like a bull in a china shop wasn't quite the way it should have been done. Now we are in a trade war with not only China, but the UK as well. Granted, China can go sit on their thumbs and rotate. They would love to see the US ruined and split up since we are one of two other countries that could stop their march for more power. The other country is just like them. However, the UK is one of our biggest ally. Same thing with Canada. I just feel this could have been handled better. Add that with his brash, "I will say whatever I want and damn the consequences" attitude on twitter paints the US in a light I'm not to keen on. Maybe it will work out. I would love to see more blue collar jobs back in the US. The only thing is we have to reign in the unions so those jobs are not overpaid and we see repeats of Hostess. Transgenders in the military: The stance you provided is a bit typical from the far right. "Class of people who can't make up their mind who they want to be" This has to be the worst way to describe transgenders I've seen in a while. They are not confused, they just feel that their biological gender was wrong and changed it. If they are post-op and have completed the change, that doesn't sound to confused to me. And you opened a whole other can of worms with the PTSD situation. I'll just say this: Any able bodied person who wants to serve in the military should be given the chance, regardless of anything else. The whole "We don't need any gay, lesbian or transgender in the military" argument is the same thing that was said about blacks in the military. As I said, any able bodied person who wishes to serve in the best armed forces in the world should be allowed. Now, if they are pre-op, I agree that the US military should not pay for their transition surgery. However they should be given the choice to take a leave of absence, have the surgery, then be able to rejoin once they show they are able bodied again. Pruitt: This is where we will have to agree to disagree. The guy is an idiot who panders to the far right and big businesses with no regard to the ecological impact, plain and simple. Denying climate change and how human CO emissions have influenced it is just as bad as the far left ignoring the factual stats on gun crime and baying about wanting to ban this and restrict our rights. I will agree the EPA has been over burdensome, just like other alphabet divisions of the government, but Pruitt is willing to sell out the environment so big companies can profit. I'm no eco nut, our car is still fully gas though it isn't a gas hog. We need to get away from fossil fuels plain and simple. And yes, the EPA was over reaching in many ways (There was a Ford compact that could not be sold in the US because it didn't have a cat converter, it didn't need it. But the EPA said no, even though its emissions were better and got 45 MPG). Now, if Pruitt or Trump were to come out and support research into a better fuel source, say fission powered vehicles, I would support that. But, again, we will just have to agree to disagree on this choice. My views on Pruitt are based off of his choice to cost Oklahoma several million dollars in lawsuits on issues that appealed to the far right and had no chance to win. To me he is just another far right shill who does what he can to stay elected and get money. Again, thanks for actually discussing this instead of just going off and calling me a liberal. I'm anything but. As Dorian Grey once said "I'm complicated". [/QUOTE]
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