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Savage Axis ll precision in 308 or 30-06
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<blockquote data-quote="swampratt" data-source="post: 3655866" data-attributes="member: 15054"><p>I have a couple .308 bolt rifles and a couple 30-06 bolt rifles.</p><p>I hand load and the 30-06 is just a wee bit less accurate than the .308.</p><p>If course my 308 is a heavy barrel savage and the 30-06 is a Mossberg 100ATR</p><p>Yes recoil on the 30-06 is much greater.</p><p></p><p>But upper accuracy node in the 30-06 is in fact faster than the upper node in the .308</p><p>I used the same bullet the 155 gr. Sierra Palma and i did not adhere to book max loads.</p><p>I listened to my rifle and what it wanted.</p><p>3176 fps for the 30-06 and I was in the 2980 fps for the .308 at that time.</p><p></p><p>Barrel length means nothing as I have had 22" barrels that were the same speed Or within 10 FPS as an 18" barrel in .308</p><p>Different manufactures of barrels one a Ruger and the other a Savage.</p><p></p><p>I Enjoy shooting the .308 a lot more. All my guns have the factory barrels on them.</p><p>All my guns get hand loaded ammo.</p><p>I have had a few friends with 30-06 that could not find ammo that would shoot good groups.</p><p>Most ammo was grouping in the 4"-8" range at 200 yards. Just horrible.</p><p>With handloads that stayed under 2" at 200.</p><p></p><p>If you are shooting store/surplus ammo I would go with .308</p><p>I would also choose .308 because it uses less money to make the loads and less recoil is a plus.</p><p></p><p>Something else I like is a short barrel. easier to find the accuracy node and that node is wider and changes less when the weather changes.</p><p>Under 800 yards a long barrel does not matter is what i was told for a few years as i was chasing my tail with a 24" heavy barrel Savage .308.</p><p></p><p>I was told to cut it to 18" and it would shoot tighter groups.</p><p>I finally cut it to 20.5" and sure enough it tightened up a lot.</p><p>I now shoot an 18" in .308 and it shoots even tighter.</p><p></p><p>I hunt and I do not competition shoot and accuracy needs to be there in different temps for sure.</p><p>And I have no need to shoot an animal past a few hundred yards.</p><p></p><p>Many here have platforms and places to kill animals cleanly at long range but that is another topic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="swampratt, post: 3655866, member: 15054"] I have a couple .308 bolt rifles and a couple 30-06 bolt rifles. I hand load and the 30-06 is just a wee bit less accurate than the .308. If course my 308 is a heavy barrel savage and the 30-06 is a Mossberg 100ATR Yes recoil on the 30-06 is much greater. But upper accuracy node in the 30-06 is in fact faster than the upper node in the .308 I used the same bullet the 155 gr. Sierra Palma and i did not adhere to book max loads. I listened to my rifle and what it wanted. 3176 fps for the 30-06 and I was in the 2980 fps for the .308 at that time. Barrel length means nothing as I have had 22" barrels that were the same speed Or within 10 FPS as an 18" barrel in .308 Different manufactures of barrels one a Ruger and the other a Savage. I Enjoy shooting the .308 a lot more. All my guns have the factory barrels on them. All my guns get hand loaded ammo. I have had a few friends with 30-06 that could not find ammo that would shoot good groups. Most ammo was grouping in the 4"-8" range at 200 yards. Just horrible. With handloads that stayed under 2" at 200. If you are shooting store/surplus ammo I would go with .308 I would also choose .308 because it uses less money to make the loads and less recoil is a plus. Something else I like is a short barrel. easier to find the accuracy node and that node is wider and changes less when the weather changes. Under 800 yards a long barrel does not matter is what i was told for a few years as i was chasing my tail with a 24" heavy barrel Savage .308. I was told to cut it to 18" and it would shoot tighter groups. I finally cut it to 20.5" and sure enough it tightened up a lot. I now shoot an 18" in .308 and it shoots even tighter. I hunt and I do not competition shoot and accuracy needs to be there in different temps for sure. And I have no need to shoot an animal past a few hundred yards. Many here have platforms and places to kill animals cleanly at long range but that is another topic. [/QUOTE]
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