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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 2401687" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>So you're willing to vouch for all those that gather the intel, plan the raids and execute them all over the country, just because they "put their lives on the line"? <img src="/images/smilies/rolleyes2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rolleyes2" title="Rolleyes2 :rolleyes2" data-shortname=":rolleyes2" /></p><p></p><p>Sorry, that dog won't hunt. Some departments have a reputation for taking things too far, as do some individual teams. Let me ask you something, how much due diligence and raid planning time is spent on ensuring that you have verified the correct address? If you're doing it right, it would be enough so that you NEVER hit the wrong house. That doesn't always happen. How much planning and decision making are weighted towards ensuring the safety of any non-criminals in the home, such as minor children? Again, if you're doing it right, it would be enough so that the raid is cancelled and other options are considered if doing said raid would place needless risk upon those having no connection to the criminal activity. Again, that doesn't always happen.</p><p></p><p>You can complain about MMQB'ing all you want, but you chose the job. It's a job that rightly and justifiably deserves to be MMQB'd by the citizens of the communities these officers allegedly serve. That is citizen oversight of those bestowed with special powers. Without it, many LE actions would simply become lawless themselves.</p><p></p><p>Back on topic, the decision to perform a raid type warrant execution for the recovery of evidence in a financial fraud case is being questioned. Further, the specific actions in the service are being questioned. If the PD doesn't like this, well they always have the option to NOT perform the raid, do they not? </p><p></p><p>I have little doubt that those involved in the theft are dirtbags. However, this warrant service was an abject failure. It was overkill, it produced no evidence that could be entered in the case and it caused a public relations problem for the PD. That will be a problem down the road for the PD and it's officers, when their credibility is questioned. </p><p></p><p>When you're standing there with a hammer in your hand, pretty soon every problem begins to look like a nail. Don't become a hammer. <img src="/images/smilies/frown.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 2401687, member: 1132"] So you're willing to vouch for all those that gather the intel, plan the raids and execute them all over the country, just because they "put their lives on the line"? :rolleyes2 Sorry, that dog won't hunt. Some departments have a reputation for taking things too far, as do some individual teams. Let me ask you something, how much due diligence and raid planning time is spent on ensuring that you have verified the correct address? If you're doing it right, it would be enough so that you NEVER hit the wrong house. That doesn't always happen. How much planning and decision making are weighted towards ensuring the safety of any non-criminals in the home, such as minor children? Again, if you're doing it right, it would be enough so that the raid is cancelled and other options are considered if doing said raid would place needless risk upon those having no connection to the criminal activity. Again, that doesn't always happen. You can complain about MMQB'ing all you want, but you chose the job. It's a job that rightly and justifiably deserves to be MMQB'd by the citizens of the communities these officers allegedly serve. That is citizen oversight of those bestowed with special powers. Without it, many LE actions would simply become lawless themselves. Back on topic, the decision to perform a raid type warrant execution for the recovery of evidence in a financial fraud case is being questioned. Further, the specific actions in the service are being questioned. If the PD doesn't like this, well they always have the option to NOT perform the raid, do they not? I have little doubt that those involved in the theft are dirtbags. However, this warrant service was an abject failure. It was overkill, it produced no evidence that could be entered in the case and it caused a public relations problem for the PD. That will be a problem down the road for the PD and it's officers, when their credibility is questioned. When you're standing there with a hammer in your hand, pretty soon every problem begins to look like a nail. Don't become a hammer. :( [/QUOTE]
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