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<blockquote data-quote="crrcboatz" data-source="post: 2469112" data-attributes="member: 32702"><p>Your assumption that 391,882 all attend vo tech campus'. That is dead wrong. The 1193 students figure are HS students bussed to the campus' via votech from participating high schools. The remainder of the 391,882 are broken down between high schools that have vo tech programs on their campuses, and the biggest contributor, adult students mostly participating in industry training offered by vo tech. comprehensive high schools make up 135,372 of the total secondary students of 151,720. Those students programs are financed at their campus by the $26,677,395 portion of the total vo tech budget. They are not part of the $107+ million that vo tech campuses get. The largest portion of all the students that make up votechs enrollment is Industry specific <strong>ADULT tr</strong><strong>aining.</strong> which is 286,345 people. Total adult enrollment is over 375000 as the figures on that site indicate.</p><p><strong>Now if votech is in fact serving over 2 adult students for every one high school student then move them under the other ADULT adult centers, ie higher education</strong> To not do that is to use high school student funds allocated by the state for hs students to in fact carry a big part of the education cost of adults. We don't ask colleges to do that do we??!!! lol.</p><p></p><p>Vo tech doesn't make it public how much they do in fact serve adult students over hs age students. They are basically in the adult ed business all the while using high school student funding to do it. If colleges did that the public would go nuts. </p><p>An additional point to make. Business and industry often secure FREE training from votechs for employees as a part of locating in Oklahoma. That is fine but it is again adults so that makes for an additional argument of votechs being under the umbrella of higher ed. The local votech campuses seem to take great pride in representing to students the point they sell that "you are earning college credit in many of our programs". Point one. Those credits aren't worth the paper they are printed on outside this state. Two very very few of the 4 yrs schools in Oklahoma recognize those credits. Most of those credits are only good for 2 yr degrees at community colleges. Public school credits will transfer any where in the US. They are not limited by local agreements only. LETS PUT VOTECH UNDER HIGHER ED WHERE THEY BELONG. LETS QUIT BUILDING PALACES ALL OVER THE STATE WITH LOCAL FUNDED BOND ISSUES FOR THESE BUILDINGS BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE STUDENTS ARE ADULT. FINALLY LETS<strong> STOP</strong> FUNDING FROM THE STATE DEPT OF ED BUDGET TO VO TECHS TO FINANCE ADULT EDUCATION. LET HIGHER EDUCATION CARRY THAT LOAD. </p><p> I believe high school students should be funded for votech education by the state dept but only if they will quit hand picking their students and increase the teacher pupil ratio to something that would allow more students to attend. </p><p>As for pay of vo tech teachers outside the metro area, your comment on that without some proof. Simply put prove that statement. I provided you proof VEGGIE now where is yours on that.</p><p></p><p>It appears you have a strong link to votech the way you protect them. Someone did a job on you man.<img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="crrcboatz, post: 2469112, member: 32702"] Your assumption that 391,882 all attend vo tech campus'. That is dead wrong. The 1193 students figure are HS students bussed to the campus' via votech from participating high schools. The remainder of the 391,882 are broken down between high schools that have vo tech programs on their campuses, and the biggest contributor, adult students mostly participating in industry training offered by vo tech. comprehensive high schools make up 135,372 of the total secondary students of 151,720. Those students programs are financed at their campus by the $26,677,395 portion of the total vo tech budget. They are not part of the $107+ million that vo tech campuses get. The largest portion of all the students that make up votechs enrollment is Industry specific [B]ADULT tr[/B][B]aining.[/B] which is 286,345 people. Total adult enrollment is over 375000 as the figures on that site indicate. [B]Now if votech is in fact serving over 2 adult students for every one high school student then move them under the other ADULT adult centers, ie higher education[/B] To not do that is to use high school student funds allocated by the state for hs students to in fact carry a big part of the education cost of adults. We don't ask colleges to do that do we??!!! lol. Vo tech doesn't make it public how much they do in fact serve adult students over hs age students. They are basically in the adult ed business all the while using high school student funding to do it. If colleges did that the public would go nuts. An additional point to make. Business and industry often secure FREE training from votechs for employees as a part of locating in Oklahoma. That is fine but it is again adults so that makes for an additional argument of votechs being under the umbrella of higher ed. The local votech campuses seem to take great pride in representing to students the point they sell that "you are earning college credit in many of our programs". Point one. Those credits aren't worth the paper they are printed on outside this state. Two very very few of the 4 yrs schools in Oklahoma recognize those credits. Most of those credits are only good for 2 yr degrees at community colleges. Public school credits will transfer any where in the US. They are not limited by local agreements only. LETS PUT VOTECH UNDER HIGHER ED WHERE THEY BELONG. LETS QUIT BUILDING PALACES ALL OVER THE STATE WITH LOCAL FUNDED BOND ISSUES FOR THESE BUILDINGS BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE STUDENTS ARE ADULT. FINALLY LETS[B] STOP[/B] FUNDING FROM THE STATE DEPT OF ED BUDGET TO VO TECHS TO FINANCE ADULT EDUCATION. LET HIGHER EDUCATION CARRY THAT LOAD. I believe high school students should be funded for votech education by the state dept but only if they will quit hand picking their students and increase the teacher pupil ratio to something that would allow more students to attend. As for pay of vo tech teachers outside the metro area, your comment on that without some proof. Simply put prove that statement. I provided you proof VEGGIE now where is yours on that. It appears you have a strong link to votech the way you protect them. Someone did a job on you man.:D [/QUOTE]
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