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<blockquote data-quote="vvvvvvv" data-source="post: 2469166" data-attributes="member: 5151"><p>I see you didn't read the part where I specifically excluded ISTs, TIPs, and ACDs. The funding for those programs is extremely convoluted - some from general ed, some from higher ed, some from tax credits, some from tax earmarks, some from federal grants, some from private grants, some completely out of pocket (though typically paid in full by the student's employer if that's the case), etc. Some ACDs could even be "marketing" or "R&D" expenses for some companies. Additionally, comprehensive programs were also not included because your original number also did not include them.</p><p></p><p>State Dept. of Ed, CareerTech, and Higher Ed are all completely separate departments/agencies/line-items. CareerTech does not get money that has been appropriated to or generated by Department of Education.</p><p></p><p>You're asking me to provide proof of an anecdote. If you want, I can readily provide "proof" in the same manner as your "proof" (purely anecdotal, non-verified, and non-official "I know of or am related to someone"), but you'd likely not accept it. I could probably do a FOI request, but then again I 1) don't want to wait a year for a response, 2) know that it will make zero difference, and 3) don't care for wasteful use of my tax dollars. There are much more important fish to fry.</p><p></p><p>You've also assumed that the only competition for instructor positions is doing what they train for in the private sector. In reality, most of the full-time programs available in the vo-tech system have analogs offered to employees by employers. That's not even including other private training facilities such as ITT or UTI.</p><p></p><p>I have not "protected" the vo-tech system at all. I've only insisted that facts be accurately presented. If you actually comprehend the text in my previous posts, you'll see that I've insinuated some of the reasons why I left the public education system because I could not in good conscience be part of that. For example, the lack of follow-through on SAI reports on some schools can be rather astonishing.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I believe the entire public education system is a disservice to society as it is currently implemented. Rather than educating students in high school, we insist they they don't stray from their batch that was decided by their born-on date and we do our best to hold back the truly intelligent because of "equality". Many of the courses available in the vo-tech system (especially IT) are outdated and practically useless in the real world by the day of completion. Colleges steal from the earning potentials of students.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vvvvvvv, post: 2469166, member: 5151"] I see you didn't read the part where I specifically excluded ISTs, TIPs, and ACDs. The funding for those programs is extremely convoluted - some from general ed, some from higher ed, some from tax credits, some from tax earmarks, some from federal grants, some from private grants, some completely out of pocket (though typically paid in full by the student's employer if that's the case), etc. Some ACDs could even be "marketing" or "R&D" expenses for some companies. Additionally, comprehensive programs were also not included because your original number also did not include them. State Dept. of Ed, CareerTech, and Higher Ed are all completely separate departments/agencies/line-items. CareerTech does not get money that has been appropriated to or generated by Department of Education. You're asking me to provide proof of an anecdote. If you want, I can readily provide "proof" in the same manner as your "proof" (purely anecdotal, non-verified, and non-official "I know of or am related to someone"), but you'd likely not accept it. I could probably do a FOI request, but then again I 1) don't want to wait a year for a response, 2) know that it will make zero difference, and 3) don't care for wasteful use of my tax dollars. There are much more important fish to fry. You've also assumed that the only competition for instructor positions is doing what they train for in the private sector. In reality, most of the full-time programs available in the vo-tech system have analogs offered to employees by employers. That's not even including other private training facilities such as ITT or UTI. I have not "protected" the vo-tech system at all. I've only insisted that facts be accurately presented. If you actually comprehend the text in my previous posts, you'll see that I've insinuated some of the reasons why I left the public education system because I could not in good conscience be part of that. For example, the lack of follow-through on SAI reports on some schools can be rather astonishing. Personally, I believe the entire public education system is a disservice to society as it is currently implemented. Rather than educating students in high school, we insist they they don't stray from their batch that was decided by their born-on date and we do our best to hold back the truly intelligent because of "equality". Many of the courses available in the vo-tech system (especially IT) are outdated and practically useless in the real world by the day of completion. Colleges steal from the earning potentials of students. [/QUOTE]
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