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Answering some questions.

The weather balloon we used is rated for about 100,000 feet before bursting. We believe to have reached a little over 90,000 feet in altitude. The GPS unit does give altitude reports, but we're having difficulty getting it from the service. It usually takes about 3-3.5 hours for a balloon to reach into the upper atmosphere before bursting. Depending on your chute size, it takes about an hour for it to come back down to the Earth.

We did not contact the FAA, but was worried about the balloon traveling over an airport into commercial or federal air space.

The industrial grade balloon costed about $60 and the helium used was about another $60. The balloon is rated to expand to 20 feet in diameter. You don't want to fill it all the way though or it will burst prematurely. The optimum size is to fill it about 6 feet in diameter. This will give it enough room to expand as the atmosphere gets thinner and will allow you to achieve maximum altitude before bursting.

Link will hopefully come Monday.

Once you passed 18,000' MSL you were in violation.
 

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Once you passed 18,000' MSL you were in violation.

Since the payload is under 4 pounds, we were not required to have an FAA waiver or even needed to submit a NOTAM as long as everything else was in "spec." FAA just prefers that you notify them 48 hours prior to launch, but a NOTAM is not required for small balloons. We actually have a contact with the local FAA/ATC officer who handles balloon launches for future projects. All he asked was that we call him 48 hours prior to launch. No NOTAM required.

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Since the payload is under 4 pounds, we were not required to have an FAA waiver or even needed to submit a NOTAM as long as everything else was in "spec." FAA just prefers that you notify them 48 hours prior to launch, but a NOTAM is not required for small balloons. We actually have a contact with the local FAA/ATC officer who handles balloon launches for future projects. All he asked was that we call him 48 hours prior to launch. No NOTAM required.

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Seems to me a NOTAM would be fairly worthless as the thing is moving. I've seen NOTAMS for FIXED balloons but I can't imagine how someone would write a NOTAM for a moving target like that. You could file it as a center NOTAM (Fort Worth Center, Kansas City Center, etc.) but there's still no way to give pilots an informed answer of exactly where the thing is going to be at what time.

VERY cool project though.
 

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Seems to me a NOTAM would be fairly worthless as the thing is moving. I've seen NOTAMS for FIXED balloons but I can't imagine how someone would write a NOTAM for a moving target like that. You could file it as a center NOTAM (Fort Worth Center, Kansas City Center, etc.) but there's still no way to give pilots an informed answer of exactly where the thing is going to be at what time.

VERY cool project though.

There's online tools that allows you to predict where and how the balloon will travel based on atmospheric conditions. If the balloon was over 4 pounds, we would require to have a NOTAM, give it's predicted trajectory and estimated times of when the balloon reaches 60,000 feet going up and coming back down and when it finally reaches the earth. They would probably want us to call them the moment it reached those altitudes on the way up and way down, as well. They could request to even have access to the gps tracker and altimeter so they can track the balloon in flight. Staying under 4 pounds in payload really simplifies things and prevents having to go through all this hassle.
 

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There's online tools that allows you to predict where and how the balloon will travel based on atmospheric conditions. If the balloon was over 4 pounds, we would require to have a NOTAM, give it's predicted trajectory and estimated times of when the balloon reaches 60,000 feet going up and coming back down and when it finally reaches the earth. They would probably want us to call them the moment it reached those altitudes on the way up and way down, as well. They could request to even have access to the gps tracker and altimeter so they can track the balloon in flight. Staying under 4 pounds in payload really simplifies things and prevents having to go through all this hassle.

Exactly...PREDICTED and ESTIMATED are the key words there. If I had a dollar for every time actual meteorological conditions weren't the same as the predicted ones, well...I wouldn't be a rich man but I could buy a nice little stash of ammunition. Now...access to the GPS tracker/altimeter would provide pretty good real time info (even if GPS altimeters aren't quite as good as computer corrected barometric pressure altimeters) and I have to wonder why 4 lbs was selected as the number where they magically start to care. Heck a stray bolt can foul up an aircraft engine pretty well but there's got to be some method behind the madness. I can see the bureaucratic rationale for wanting to know about 60k, as that's where class A airspace (and presumably their responsibility) ends.
 

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Since the payload is under 4 pounds, we were not required to have an FAA waiver or even needed to submit a NOTAM as long as everything else was in "spec." FAA just prefers that you notify them 48 hours prior to launch, but a NOTAM is not required for small balloons. We actually have a contact with the local FAA/ATC officer who handles balloon launches for future projects. All he asked was that we call him 48 hours prior to launch. No NOTAM required.

I never knew there was a weight class that could still enter class A airspace. Sounds like you've done your homework. Cool project!
 

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