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<blockquote data-quote="mugsy" data-source="post: 2818821" data-attributes="member: 18914"><p>Once I see the evidence, I will call it as it is - IF he was advocating terroristic violence based upon his Christian beliefs, well, then I, as a fellow Christian, will condemn him and the whole idea of Christian terrorism. More importanty, my whole Church - which can speak authoritatively for about half of Christianity on faith and morals - makes such condemnation very clear and that predates this act. If he is a nutcase who happens to be Christian, that would be a different case. In either event, I have no problem with him receiving just punishment for his actions - regardless of their inspiration. </p><p></p><p>I would be more concerned if he was a member of a well organized and funded 20-25-33% (take a pick) of Christianity that advocated such violence - but that doesn't exist. Unlike with some other religions or with eco-anarchists or with communists.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps the abortion people would have higher moral ground if the whole purpose of abortion clinics wasn't primarily to facilitate killing innocent human beings. My grandson was just born a few weeks early - PP advocates that his mother should have been able to have him extracted and pithed like a frog with the assistance and financing of the State. I DO NOT support violence against PP or other abortion advocacy groups or personnel, and I DO support punishing anyone who harms those facilities or people but it is hard not to see the irony and hypocrisy of the PP supporters outcry on this beyond the specific call for punishing the trigger-puller. Their cries about dangerous anti-abortion rhetoric are the height of hypocrisy. Nevertheless, the vast majority of Christians, and the Christian Churches, clearly, and consistently have called for peaceful (only) means to oppose what many see as a violent and hideous act, namely abortion. Those who advocate otherwise and claim to be acting as Christians, are plainly outside the vast majority of Christians and are not being aided, abetted, or having a blind eye turned toward them by other Christians.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mugsy, post: 2818821, member: 18914"] Once I see the evidence, I will call it as it is - IF he was advocating terroristic violence based upon his Christian beliefs, well, then I, as a fellow Christian, will condemn him and the whole idea of Christian terrorism. More importanty, my whole Church - which can speak authoritatively for about half of Christianity on faith and morals - makes such condemnation very clear and that predates this act. If he is a nutcase who happens to be Christian, that would be a different case. In either event, I have no problem with him receiving just punishment for his actions - regardless of their inspiration. I would be more concerned if he was a member of a well organized and funded 20-25-33% (take a pick) of Christianity that advocated such violence - but that doesn't exist. Unlike with some other religions or with eco-anarchists or with communists. Perhaps the abortion people would have higher moral ground if the whole purpose of abortion clinics wasn't primarily to facilitate killing innocent human beings. My grandson was just born a few weeks early - PP advocates that his mother should have been able to have him extracted and pithed like a frog with the assistance and financing of the State. I DO NOT support violence against PP or other abortion advocacy groups or personnel, and I DO support punishing anyone who harms those facilities or people but it is hard not to see the irony and hypocrisy of the PP supporters outcry on this beyond the specific call for punishing the trigger-puller. Their cries about dangerous anti-abortion rhetoric are the height of hypocrisy. Nevertheless, the vast majority of Christians, and the Christian Churches, clearly, and consistently have called for peaceful (only) means to oppose what many see as a violent and hideous act, namely abortion. Those who advocate otherwise and claim to be acting as Christians, are plainly outside the vast majority of Christians and are not being aided, abetted, or having a blind eye turned toward them by other Christians. [/QUOTE]
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