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<blockquote data-quote="prdator" data-source="post: 982178" data-attributes="member: 2840"><p>My 2c</p><p></p><p>I'm assuming that the good guy knew he was being followed, with that assumption. Why did he stop? Im sure he had no idea that things would go that far! But he could have kept driving, and maybe even called 911 to let them know what was going on and have a unit get involved. </p><p>Having been in a running "fight" that's what I tried but 911 put me on hold.</p><p>Its still a tactically sound idea. </p><p></p><p>Once he had stopped and the "bad guys" closed on him, this is were the "MUC" managing unknown contacts would have came into play. </p><p>Had he really known how to do that, and recognize the pre assault indicators the bad guy's showed,this might not have got to the point it did. </p><p></p><p>I must say that taking MUC training and force on force training,( such as CQT with MB) is Paramount. </p><p>Once you have had a Force on Force class you will begin to understand that what you have always thought you can do with a handgun is wrong..</p><p></p><p>In the case we are discussing with two bad guys in a parking lot, and it turing to a H2H fight, once the decision to use lethal has been made. Actually drawing the handgun can be very hard wile the adversaries are beating the snot out of you. Using it effectively against Both adversary's is even harder to do!!</p><p></p><p>The situation is just so dynamic, in my experiences in force on force training</p><p>with two adversaries I was only able to make good hits on both "guys" one time out of 4 ( IIRC). Now I would like to think of my self as an above average pistolero!! But with all the training I've had it is still very hard to manage a situation like he was in. </p><p></p><p>This just goes to show that YOU do not get to decide when or were this might happen!!! </p><p> Force on Force training is something I would highly recommend, and MUC training IMHO is even more important. </p><p></p><p>But the chance to get to do both of them and go though a "police" interview is probably the best the best training you'll ever get to do!! So form someone that's been there and cant wait to get back go do CQT or ECQC. </p><p></p><p>My best to the good guy I really hope all this works out for him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="prdator, post: 982178, member: 2840"] My 2c I'm assuming that the good guy knew he was being followed, with that assumption. Why did he stop? Im sure he had no idea that things would go that far! But he could have kept driving, and maybe even called 911 to let them know what was going on and have a unit get involved. Having been in a running "fight" that's what I tried but 911 put me on hold. Its still a tactically sound idea. Once he had stopped and the "bad guys" closed on him, this is were the "MUC" managing unknown contacts would have came into play. Had he really known how to do that, and recognize the pre assault indicators the bad guy's showed,this might not have got to the point it did. I must say that taking MUC training and force on force training,( such as CQT with MB) is Paramount. Once you have had a Force on Force class you will begin to understand that what you have always thought you can do with a handgun is wrong.. In the case we are discussing with two bad guys in a parking lot, and it turing to a H2H fight, once the decision to use lethal has been made. Actually drawing the handgun can be very hard wile the adversaries are beating the snot out of you. Using it effectively against Both adversary's is even harder to do!! The situation is just so dynamic, in my experiences in force on force training with two adversaries I was only able to make good hits on both "guys" one time out of 4 ( IIRC). Now I would like to think of my self as an above average pistolero!! But with all the training I've had it is still very hard to manage a situation like he was in. This just goes to show that YOU do not get to decide when or were this might happen!!! Force on Force training is something I would highly recommend, and MUC training IMHO is even more important. But the chance to get to do both of them and go though a "police" interview is probably the best the best training you'll ever get to do!! So form someone that's been there and cant wait to get back go do CQT or ECQC. My best to the good guy I really hope all this works out for him. [/QUOTE]
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