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<blockquote data-quote="Michael Brown" data-source="post: 986952" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Possibly.</p><p></p><p>They have manifested intent i.e. the bumping and continued the assault via their personal weapons i.e. fists, feet.</p><p></p><p>It's not as if they were posing a deadly force threat, then completely stopped.</p><p></p><p>An equivelent example would be if a person shoots at you, runs out of bullets, throws the gun down and charges you continuing the assault; They have manifested the intent to kill you and there is reason to believe they will do so with their personal weapons.</p><p></p><p>This is different that an assault by an otherwise unarmed person.</p><p></p><p>The two on one issue, IMO and most courts' past practice, makes deadly force a reasonable course of action IF both manifested the intent to assault the victim i.e. they both got out of the truck and exhibited pre-assault cues or verbal intent.</p><p></p><p>This is one of the reasons it is so important to be trained to recognize violent behavior and pre-assault cues; A lot of people can recognize an impending ass-whupping. Not everyone can articulate it and that is critical to your defense.</p><p></p><p>One of the reasons police officers are frequently cleared in what might seem like a controversial shooting i.e. the Diallo case is their (or their experts') ability to explain their training and experience in the concepts of precognition. Since police officers see violence firsthand so frequently, the courts tend to recognize their ability to see it coming. You can get the same through documented training or other experience.</p><p></p><p>Michael Brown</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Michael Brown, post: 986952, member: 18"] Possibly. They have manifested intent i.e. the bumping and continued the assault via their personal weapons i.e. fists, feet. It's not as if they were posing a deadly force threat, then completely stopped. An equivelent example would be if a person shoots at you, runs out of bullets, throws the gun down and charges you continuing the assault; They have manifested the intent to kill you and there is reason to believe they will do so with their personal weapons. This is different that an assault by an otherwise unarmed person. The two on one issue, IMO and most courts' past practice, makes deadly force a reasonable course of action IF both manifested the intent to assault the victim i.e. they both got out of the truck and exhibited pre-assault cues or verbal intent. This is one of the reasons it is so important to be trained to recognize violent behavior and pre-assault cues; A lot of people can recognize an impending ass-whupping. Not everyone can articulate it and that is critical to your defense. One of the reasons police officers are frequently cleared in what might seem like a controversial shooting i.e. the Diallo case is their (or their experts') ability to explain their training and experience in the concepts of precognition. Since police officers see violence firsthand so frequently, the courts tend to recognize their ability to see it coming. You can get the same through documented training or other experience. Michael Brown [/QUOTE]
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