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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow" data-source="post: 824695" data-attributes="member: 7123"><p>My concern for you would be that .357 bullets traveling at 1800-2200 fps give or take are just going to pass through on neck shots (sometimes), and you have to track or even lose the animal. True that high-speed rounds like the .223 work like magic on neck shots, because it's all about the expansion/explosiveness (shock waves interfering with the spinal column), but the .357, it may or may not. Probably will still drop them the same way if you're using soft self-defense style bullets like 125s. But a 158 or 180 going at a slower speed may not only fail to expand/explode in the neck to stop the deer, it also may keep on going which is your fear. Not so much of a concern with a rutting buck with a thick neck, but on a doe..... So I wouldn't rule it out, but for neck shots, if I were you, I'd just build a .223, .22-250, or .243 in a short, light handy version with a short-range optic (1-4, 1.5-5, 1.5-6, 2-7, or similar). Then you're not adding a caliber to the inventory. My opinion is that a .243 win with 80-85 gr bullets is the <strong>perfect</strong> neck-shot deer-killing mo-sheen. And also makes for a fun show if you run across wily coyote or Mr. crow. Or anything else in the woods you wish to dispatch for that matter.</p><p></p><p>What about an Oly Arms AR in .243 WSSM or .25 WSSM, or other AR in 6.5 grendel or 6.8 spc? That's something different, light, handy, and would shoot a bullet that is fast enough to violently expand on neck shots, and yet big enough to penetrate if you need to take a shot to the vitals.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep, arguably the perfect deer rifle, with appropriate hunting or handloads. Moderate velocity, just a smidge short of the ballistics of the .30-30, which has probably killed more legal deer than any other caliber - and talk about lightweight!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow, post: 824695, member: 7123"] My concern for you would be that .357 bullets traveling at 1800-2200 fps give or take are just going to pass through on neck shots (sometimes), and you have to track or even lose the animal. True that high-speed rounds like the .223 work like magic on neck shots, because it's all about the expansion/explosiveness (shock waves interfering with the spinal column), but the .357, it may or may not. Probably will still drop them the same way if you're using soft self-defense style bullets like 125s. But a 158 or 180 going at a slower speed may not only fail to expand/explode in the neck to stop the deer, it also may keep on going which is your fear. Not so much of a concern with a rutting buck with a thick neck, but on a doe..... So I wouldn't rule it out, but for neck shots, if I were you, I'd just build a .223, .22-250, or .243 in a short, light handy version with a short-range optic (1-4, 1.5-5, 1.5-6, 2-7, or similar). Then you're not adding a caliber to the inventory. My opinion is that a .243 win with 80-85 gr bullets is the [B]perfect[/B] neck-shot deer-killing mo-sheen. And also makes for a fun show if you run across wily coyote or Mr. crow. Or anything else in the woods you wish to dispatch for that matter. What about an Oly Arms AR in .243 WSSM or .25 WSSM, or other AR in 6.5 grendel or 6.8 spc? That's something different, light, handy, and would shoot a bullet that is fast enough to violently expand on neck shots, and yet big enough to penetrate if you need to take a shot to the vitals. Yep, arguably the perfect deer rifle, with appropriate hunting or handloads. Moderate velocity, just a smidge short of the ballistics of the .30-30, which has probably killed more legal deer than any other caliber - and talk about lightweight! [/QUOTE]
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