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<blockquote data-quote="firewire" data-source="post: 2345240" data-attributes="member: 15987"><p>Could be Shockwave Technologies interpretation.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88" target="_blank">http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>"I get a lot of questions from customers about the new ATF ruling regarding pistol-grip-only (PGO) firearms with 14&#8243; barrels that arent considered NFA items.</p><p></p><p>Well, first off, let me say, its not a new ruling. Its the same position that ATF has always taken regarding PGO firearms that fire a fixed shotgun shell that have NEVER had a buttstock attached to themtheyre NOT shotguns! Theyre simply firearms. As such, they dont necessarily need to have 18&#8243;+ barrels on them to remain out of the purview of the NFA.</p><p></p><p>You see, the very definition of a shotgun requires that it be designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder Without a buttstock ever having been fitted to the PGO firearms in question, they cant be fired from the shoulder and are therefore not shotguns. Hence, with a 14&#8243; barrel, they cant be considered short-barreled shotguns, as they arent shotguns to begin with. Read the full definition of a shotgun here.</p><p></p><p>PGO firearms that remain longer than 26&#8243; in overall length also cant be defined as AOWs. Thats because the term any other weapon (AOW) means any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person And ATF maintains that to be concealed, the firearm needs to be shorter than 26&#8243;. Read the full definition of an AOW here.</p><p></p><p>More on the subject is available in these two letters to Len Savagethe guy who will be making a lot of these non-NFA firearms in the coming months and years:</p><p></p><p>July 20, 2010 letter from NFA Tech Branch to Mr. Len Savage</p><p>October 27, 2010 letter from NFA Tech Branch to Mr. Len Savage</p><p>Page 1 of third letter</p><p>Page 2 of third letter</p><p>All that said, Im not a firearms attorney. And Im not offering legal advice here. I am simply relating things the way I understand them. Be sure you check with all the appropriate agencies.</p><p></p><p>Now, a pistol-grip-only Mossberg 500 with a 14&#8243; barrel and the Raptor Grip installed measures 26.5&#8243; in overall length (measured parallel to the bore)."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="firewire, post: 2345240, member: 15987"] Could be Shockwave Technologies interpretation. [URL="http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88"]http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88[/URL] "I get a lot of questions from customers about the new ATF ruling regarding pistol-grip-only (PGO) firearms with 14″ barrels that arent considered NFA items. Well, first off, let me say, its not a new ruling. Its the same position that ATF has always taken regarding PGO firearms that fire a fixed shotgun shell that have NEVER had a buttstock attached to themtheyre NOT shotguns! Theyre simply firearms. As such, they dont necessarily need to have 18″+ barrels on them to remain out of the purview of the NFA. You see, the very definition of a shotgun requires that it be designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder Without a buttstock ever having been fitted to the PGO firearms in question, they cant be fired from the shoulder and are therefore not shotguns. Hence, with a 14″ barrel, they cant be considered short-barreled shotguns, as they arent shotguns to begin with. Read the full definition of a shotgun here. PGO firearms that remain longer than 26″ in overall length also cant be defined as AOWs. Thats because the term any other weapon (AOW) means any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person And ATF maintains that to be concealed, the firearm needs to be shorter than 26″. Read the full definition of an AOW here. More on the subject is available in these two letters to Len Savagethe guy who will be making a lot of these non-NFA firearms in the coming months and years: July 20, 2010 letter from NFA Tech Branch to Mr. Len Savage October 27, 2010 letter from NFA Tech Branch to Mr. Len Savage Page 1 of third letter Page 2 of third letter All that said, Im not a firearms attorney. And Im not offering legal advice here. I am simply relating things the way I understand them. Be sure you check with all the appropriate agencies. Now, a pistol-grip-only Mossberg 500 with a 14″ barrel and the Raptor Grip installed measures 26.5″ in overall length (measured parallel to the bore)." [/QUOTE]
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