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<blockquote data-quote="Rickt300" data-source="post: 3768695" data-attributes="member: 50678"><p>The point I am making is the SAW version is low on firepower when fielded as a one man weapon. 50 rounds is not even 2 30 round M4 magazines. A SAW gunner needs to be able to put out a lot of suppressive fire, the more accurate the better. Military weapons are often chosen because of the bennies the company offers the politicians who can make the sale happen. True it is not a heavy weapon but the ammo is as bulky as the 7.62 NATO round and only 30% lighter. Belt fed it has the same limitations the M60 did having to be crew served. The M60 worked OK as a machine gun but not as a SAW, it sucked because of the number of guys it took to feed it. That meant possibly three soldiers close together making for a good sized target. No weapon system has ever come online without problems. I am not sold on the cartridge case being two part and different metals simply because of the expense of making the ammo and possible durability issues. As for the 277 Fury itself, have been a long time fan of the old standard 270. Same for the 308. I wouldn't consider either of them perfect for the SAW role.</p><p></p><p>The M60 is a belt-fed machine gun that fires the <a href="https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/7.62%C3%9751mm_NATO" target="_blank">7.62×51mm NATO</a> cartridge (similar to <a href="https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/.308_Winchester" target="_blank">.308 Winchester</a>), commonly used in larger rifles. It is generally used as a <a href="https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Crew-served_weapon" target="_blank">crew-served weapon</a> and operated by a team of two or three individuals. The team consists of the gunner, the assistant gunner (AG), and the ammunition bearer. The gun's weight and the amount of ammunition it can consume when fired make it difficult for a single soldier to carry and operate. The gunner carries the weapon and, depending on his strength and stamina, anywhere from 200 to 1,000 rounds of ammunition. The assistant carries a spare <a href="https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Gun_barrel" target="_blank">barrel</a> and extra <a href="https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Ammunition" target="_blank">ammunition</a>, and reloads and spots targets for the gunner. The ammunition bearer carries additional ammunition and the <a href="https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Tripod#Firearms" target="_blank">tripod</a> with associated traversing and elevation mechanism, if issued, and fetches more ammunition as needed during firing. </p><p></p><p>I admit to liking the rifle version for the designated marksman role which both the AR10 and M14 have also done well in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rickt300, post: 3768695, member: 50678"] The point I am making is the SAW version is low on firepower when fielded as a one man weapon. 50 rounds is not even 2 30 round M4 magazines. A SAW gunner needs to be able to put out a lot of suppressive fire, the more accurate the better. Military weapons are often chosen because of the bennies the company offers the politicians who can make the sale happen. True it is not a heavy weapon but the ammo is as bulky as the 7.62 NATO round and only 30% lighter. Belt fed it has the same limitations the M60 did having to be crew served. The M60 worked OK as a machine gun but not as a SAW, it sucked because of the number of guys it took to feed it. That meant possibly three soldiers close together making for a good sized target. No weapon system has ever come online without problems. I am not sold on the cartridge case being two part and different metals simply because of the expense of making the ammo and possible durability issues. As for the 277 Fury itself, have been a long time fan of the old standard 270. Same for the 308. I wouldn't consider either of them perfect for the SAW role. The M60 is a belt-fed machine gun that fires the [URL='https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/7.62%C3%9751mm_NATO']7.62×51mm NATO[/URL] cartridge (similar to [URL='https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/.308_Winchester'].308 Winchester[/URL]), commonly used in larger rifles. It is generally used as a [URL='https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Crew-served_weapon']crew-served weapon[/URL] and operated by a team of two or three individuals. The team consists of the gunner, the assistant gunner (AG), and the ammunition bearer. The gun's weight and the amount of ammunition it can consume when fired make it difficult for a single soldier to carry and operate. The gunner carries the weapon and, depending on his strength and stamina, anywhere from 200 to 1,000 rounds of ammunition. The assistant carries a spare [URL='https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Gun_barrel']barrel[/URL] and extra [URL='https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Ammunition']ammunition[/URL], and reloads and spots targets for the gunner. The ammunition bearer carries additional ammunition and the [URL='https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Tripod#Firearms']tripod[/URL] with associated traversing and elevation mechanism, if issued, and fetches more ammunition as needed during firing. I admit to liking the rifle version for the designated marksman role which both the AR10 and M14 have also done well in. [/QUOTE]
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